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hun, if there is absolutely no change to the patch by the time your husband gets home, then i would just leave the fish be. perhaps it's spread all that it will and may start reducing. check it's progress again tomorrow morning and decide if the salt dips need to happen. unless there is a drastic change for the worse, i guess the salt dip can wait until your husband is home tomorrow evening.

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OK Helen, I will. Thank you yet again.

I'll keep a super close eye on him and if it spreads at all without the meds I'll go ahead and attempt things myself.

Sometimes it really sucks not to be able to trust yourself..

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OK Helen, I will. Thank you yet again.

I'll keep a super close eye on him and if it spreads at all without the meds I'll go ahead and attempt things myself.

Sometimes it really sucks not to be able to trust yourself..

 

i am on skype, hun.. if you are alone with this and can do with some company/guidance. there is a skype link in my kokos profile where you can request my friendship :)

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Thank you Helen, that offer means alot :)

I came on here to give good news :) while the patch still looks the same to me (but I'm posting pics and a video to see if you can tell a difference) by yesterday afternoon he was still clamped but he was up and swimming around all evening. By this morning he is swimming as much and well as the others and he is no longer clamed most of the time (and when he is is not nearly as tightly)

My husband will be home in about 2 hours. Should I be ready to start the dips then?

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i would like you to give this fish one more day meds free. there is improvement, perhaps not with the patch on the head, but with the fish in general. i would prefer we allow him another 24 hours so that he can behave normally for a longer period of time, and then after that, if the patch still has not started clearing up, yes, go the salt dip for sure.

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Here are this mornings pics. The white patch on Stripes seems a little lighter to me but I can't really tell if it's wishful thinking or actual improvement.

The bottom two pictures show Lily's tail (She is the red ryukin that was belly up and getting stuck to the filter). It has slowly been developing a black hue on it since the meds.

All the fish are acting healthy again, they are all active, no clamping at all now, and they have had a HUGE boost in appetite.

Start the dips or wait?

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black is usually a sign of healing, so i am not going to be concerned about it for now. i think the white patch on Stripes is fading also. and the next step is totally up to you :)

 

the salt dips will strip Stripes of his slimecoat. this is what i was hoping to achieve if the patch did not begin to fade on it's own without the interference of medicines. if you feel as though you still want to take this step, that is still very ok :)

 

the salt dip will not harm your fish if it's done properly. if you choose to do it, you can also salt dip Lily at the same time. do not be alarmed if fins look somewhat raggedy in the days following this treatment. they will quickly grow to be healthy looking again.  

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If you feel comfortable that he is OK without the dip I believe I will hold off just since they have been the so much already. That way he avoids any more stress.

If you feel at all like I should dip him though I will start right away.

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Just checking in, things seem to be still going well, the patch on Stripes' head is slowly fading but not as quickly as I'd like.

The black is almost all gone out of Lily's tail.

I also just picked up a 72 bowfront tank today that as soon as I refinish will be their new home so I can keep them all 4 together again, rather than spread out between the 55 and 40s. (I know it's not quite 80 but I'm getting there) I'm actually shopping around trying to find a 180 gallon so I can have all the golds and Loaches together.

In the mean time should I continue to leave Stripes be? Or dip him since it's such a slow fade?

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I'd leave him be, myself, since stress from a dip could cause more harm than it solves if he has no other symptoms with the patch of milkiness. We will see what Helen has to say - she's probably fast asleep given the time zone difference ;)

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this is awesome news, hun. i don't see the need for a salt dip anymore. it seems, without medications that the fish are now self healing. goldfish are great at that. it will be a slow process from here on, but very well worth the wait :)

 

you've done so well in bringing your fish back to good health :)

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Thank you both!

Helen I don't know what I would have done without you holding my hand through this whole ordeal! I was so scared through some of this!

I definately realize just how lucky I've been to not have had any major issues before.

I still think it all started with that spike from that potted dirted amazon sword. I can't believe I was so stupid not to put a canvas guard over the sand cap from the beginning.

Again thank you so much! It's so good to see my guys swimming happily again!

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Ok, now I'm ready to pull my hair out and cry....

Everyone was doing great and the patch on stripes is almost completely gone...

Then I wake up this morning and lily has Popeye starting (fluid sack bulging on one side of one eye) and I'm seeing some veins in the tails of the others come back....

Here are my thoughts.. Either they needed more rounds of the antibiotic to begin with, or I should have used a different one to begin with?

So Helen can you still bear with me?

I've been do doing an 80% water change every three days. ( I'm still refinishing the 75 so they are all 4 in the 55 ATM.

I do have furan 2 and kanaplex? On hand, can run out or order anything else.

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Hang tight! Helen will likely be on later tonight but she is probably sleeping right now. I wouldn't personally use kanaplex with any fluid issues like pop eye. That's me, though.

Triple sulfa and metronidazole are my first choices for these sort of infections.

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popeye/dropsy and other bacteria related issues are usually a case to the individual. my recommendation is to isolate Lily to a hospital tank of 10 gallons and treat her there. also, it's been a week and a video update of the whole tank (before you pull Lily out) would be great.

 

the only medicines i would like in the hospital tank is Epsom 1/4 teaspoon (dissolved) for every 10 gallons and Metronidazole. nothing more. 

 

i would also like new water param details.

 

  • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
  • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
  • * Nitrate level(Tank)
  • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
  • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
  • * Nitrate level(Tap)
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
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It's ordered with prime, pretty sure my local place doesn't carry it.

Pardon my language but I've had a hell of a time trying to test the water... I'm going to have to have my husband retest it when he gets home, I can't trust my hands very well plus I have a super hyper autistic toddler literally hanging on my back so I've only got the first three done.

Unfortunately if I didn't mess the test up the mystery is solved. My cycle is completely broken. I had my hubby test it every few days after the meds and it was fine but now I'm showing ammonia and lots of it. I pulled a bowl of water out for hubby to retest but the tank is draining for an emergency change now. I put a sponge from my other tank in after the meds but I guess it wasn't enough.

Anyway hubby will be here in half an hour, I can have accurate readings then

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