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Okay, I realize I haven't posted on here in a long time; however, I still need help. I'm sorry I haven't posted in a while to let y'all know what's going on, but Goldeen is still alive, over 3 months later from the onset of her unusual behavior. She still doesn't eat, same behavior, going for the food, but I haven't seen her eat in all these months- not even once. But she has to be eating somehow, right? Any suggestions?

I dosed the Prazipro as directed, and even did the month dose that someone suggested on here earlier. Nothing. I'm now doing weekly water changes, and that seems to be keeping her off the ground a lot more, but she still is on the ground when I walk into the room. Then she's up and swimming to greet me like she always does.

Her stunted growth makes me wonder if she does have some sort of parasite or bacteria in her stomach. She is still the same size and my other fish is triple her size now. Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

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Oh, poor girl. Hope you get this all sorted. I'm a newbie too. I can say that my two fish were close to the same size when I bought them, but one weighed in at 12 grams last time (tiny) and the other weighed in at about 50 grams. Same tank, same food, same water quality. One is just larger for an unknown reason. Might not be stunting, might just be genetics, though if your fish is barely eating, makes sense that she's not growing much. Hope you get this sorted out and she recovers!

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How much water do you change weekly?

 

She has to be eating something.  She may have to wait until the food disintegrates for it to be small enough to slurp up.

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How much water do you change weekly?

 

She has to be eating something.  She may have to wait until the food disintegrates for it to be small enough to slurp up.

I change roughly about 1/4 of the tank water weekly (it's a 29 gallon tank)

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Mine is a 20 gallon high with 2 fish (though one is a teensy fish) and 3 mystery snails. Technically overstocked. I've always done one 25% WC and one 50% WC per week which kept my tank in good shape, but have upped that to two 50% WC per week because there's nothing wrong with more WC. Agree with the other poster, you do need larger and possible even more frequent WC. Also, with the help of a kind member here, I now have 400 GPH filtration, which helps keep things afloat. :)

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Change twice to three times as much water weekly -- 50-75%.

 

I have heard of fish with a sealed mouth. Some people have opened the mouth surgically.  I wouldn't have nerve enough to do it.  

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Okay, I realize I haven't posted on here in a long time; however, I still need help. I'm sorry I haven't posted in a while to let y'all know what's going on, but Goldeen is still alive, over 3 months later from the onset of her unusual behavior. She still doesn't eat, same behavior, going for the food, but I haven't seen her eat in all these months- not even once. But she has to be eating somehow, right? Any suggestions?

I dosed the Prazipro as directed, and even did the month dose that someone suggested on here earlier. Nothing. I'm now doing weekly water changes, and that seems to be keeping her off the ground a lot more, but she still is on the ground when I walk into the room. Then she's up and swimming to greet me like she always does.

Her stunted growth makes me wonder if she does have some sort of parasite or bacteria in her stomach. She is still the same size and my other fish is triple her size now. Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

 

i know your last entry is some time ago, but i have just read this thread and i wonder how this fish is?

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Okay, I realize I haven't posted on here in a long time; however, I still need help. I'm sorry I haven't posted in a while to let y'all know what's going on, but Goldeen is still alive, over 3 months later from the onset of her unusual behavior. She still doesn't eat, same behavior, going for the food, but I haven't seen her eat in all these months- not even once. But she has to be eating somehow, right? Any suggestions?

I dosed the Prazipro as directed, and even did the month dose that someone suggested on here earlier. Nothing. I'm now doing weekly water changes, and that seems to be keeping her off the ground a lot more, but she still is on the ground when I walk into the room. Then she's up and swimming to greet me like she always does.

Her stunted growth makes me wonder if she does have some sort of parasite or bacteria in her stomach. She is still the same size and my other fish is triple her size now. Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

 

i know your last entry is some time ago, but i have just read this thread and i wonder how this fish is?

 

She is the same. She still opens her mouth every now and then, but it isn't often. Still not eating from what I can see. Now she has developed white specks on her tail (just noticed it a few minutes ago) and I'm concerned that it's Ich. I can't get a clear picture because she is so small and the tank is so big, plus the spots are small and my camera isn't clear. They don't look like clear spots on her tail fin, they're kinda blurry but they are distinct spots in a line on the edge of her tail.

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i am sorry to hear that. how do you feel about taking a video? sometimes when it's difficult to take photos, video is the better option. she's must be eating something here and there, otherwise she wouldn't be with us now. see how you go with getting some video of her and don't be afraid to talk through the problems whilst pointing them out  :hug

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Well I tried to get a video, but that didn't work out so well. However, I did get a picture that shows it fairly well. It is still blurry but I think you'll be able to see it clearly enough. I am posting 2 pictures: they are both the same picture, one is just zoomed in some to show more detail (hopefully). The spots are more defined in person, but I think this should help. Does this look like Ich to you? They are 4 spots right in a row on the edge of her tail fin. They recently came up within this week.

Hope this helps!

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good pics :) would the video that isn't any good for the spots, show any mouth movement? if it does, i would still like to see it.

 

i can confidently say that what i am seeing does not look like ich. since it has been a while, i would like a refresh of information relating to the questionnaire. i will be back in approx 4 hours and make my recommendations to you. hopefully i will have the new info to refer to :)

 

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)= 0 ppm
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)= 0 ppm
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)= 20 ppm (might be 40 based on color chart, but I'm thinking it's closer to 20 for the color chart)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)= 0 ppm (looked like it could be between 0 and .25 ppm, but I was confused because I didn't think tap water would have any ammonia in it)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)= 0 ppm
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)= 0 ppm
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)= when tested for regular pH (7.6); when tested for high range pH (either 7.8 or 8, as it was difficult to tell with the color chart)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)= when tested for regular pH (7.2 or 7); when tested for high range pH (7.8)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Api Freshwater Master Test Kit (drops)

         

      • * Water temperature? 68 or 71, but I think it's 68
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? I can't remember exactly how many gallons are actually in it, but I know it's a 29 gallon tank and I think I have anywhere from 25-27 gallons in itIt has been running since May 16th.
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Fluval AquaClear. Size 50 (20-50 gallons) 200 GPH

         

      • * How often do you change the water and how much? I vacuum the gravel out once a week, and from that I change about 25% of the water out
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? The water was changed 7 days ago (last Friday) and I changed 25% of the water
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? two goldfish (comet or common, not sure which). One is about 3 1/2 inches and the other (sick one) is about 2 inches (not for sure on the size, it's hard to judge looking inside the tank)
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? I use Seachem Prime Water Conditioner

     

  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?  I have fed them Omega One natural protein formula protein enhanced goldfish flakes since I set up their tank in May. I feed them twice a day

     

  • * Any new fish added to the tank? No
  • * Any medications added to the tank? None currently.
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. I used API Fungus Cure for one full treatment (2 doses, as directed on box) from October 5th to October 7th. I used the medication exactly as directed. I also bought un-iodized salt (ingredients are salt and sodium silicoaluminate) to put a total of 4 teaspoons in it (as directed by a local fish store). That was only a one-time treatment since I wasn't aware of the directions for salt treatment. I also added Prazipro (I thought my fish had flukes) to the entire tank as directed from 11/3/15 to 11/28/15. Next, I used a salt/Prazipro treatment as directed in a post I found on this website. I did that from 11/20/15 to 12/3/15 (not the full time it told me to). I also put Tetra safe in the tank on 10/14/15.

     

     

  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? I found those spots on her tail fin. Also have seen a smaller spot like what she had on my other fish, but it went away.
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? My sick fish has been sitting on the bottom since September. However, she is more active now than she used to be. She swims around whenever I enter the room usually. As I have stated earlier, she will go towards the food like she wants to eat it, but it seems as if she either can't open her mouth or can't find it. I never see her opening her mouth like goldfish normally do and I tried to take her out of the water to see if she would gasp for air like goldfish usually do, but she doesn't. I occasionally see her open her mouth wide, so I know it isn't impossible for her to do it, maybe it's just painful or difficult? As you can see in the video below, she is swimming around like nothing is really wrong with her. She is the first fish I show in the video.

 

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thanks for all of that, i appreciate that you provided the video and gave all the information. it's very helpful to get an update :)

 

going by the video, it looks like you fish may have been somewhat affected by flukes. so it's a very good thing that you put them through a prazi course. even if not for the 6 weeks, looks like you stuck it out for a while, which means that the flukes life cycle could very well have been affected.

 

the white spots on the lower part of the tail are from bottom sitting. it is slime coat build up. so i won't worry about that for now. i am more concerned about the jaw. on a recent thread (that you may have read if you pulled your fish out of the water to test mouth reaction ;) ) we managed to get the mouth moving by gently massaging the area i point at here: it's important that you do not pressure the gill plates, even if you must cup the fish in your hands, leave enough space for gill plate function and freedom. the fish will be more relaxed if it's gill plates are not restricted.

 

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give that a go for a few days. i think 3 times a day for about 15-20 seconds at a time is good. be careful not to press too hard, but be sure to have a little bit of pressure so that the exercise is not pointless. if the fish is resisting your attempt, let it go and try again a few minutes later.

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Okay I am willing to try the massaging thing, but I've got a few questions. I'm scared I will hurt my goldfish by applying too much pressure or not enough. Any pointers on that? Also, do you have a link for that thread so that I can read it and use it as instructions? Should I have her out of the water or in the water still? If above water, will she be okay to be above water for the full 15 seconds or do I need to take breaks and put her back under water for a few seconds?
Also, the area you want me to massage: do I need to do the side and do both sides or do I massage under her "chin"?

She's very small so I'm very afraid I'm going to injure her or traumatize her. I am going to try it though! If it will work, then I will do whatever it takes. Also, would you suggest I put her in a one gallon bowl so that it's easier to pick her up or just pick her up from in the tank?
I'm sorry I have so many questions, but  I want to do this the correct way and not injure my fish. Thank you so much for the help! I feel like this may work and help her recover.

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One more question: how would you suggest cleaning my hands before I pick her up? I've heard vinegar and hot water is the best, but I only have apple cider vinegar and I didn't know if that would harm her if I use that on my hands.

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Sarah, Helen will respond to the questions on massaging the fish's mouth. Regarding washing your hands, warm water is sufficient. I use Dr. Bonner's soap (more natural stuff) and warm water, and I make sure all soap residue is gone.

 

Looking at your information on the form, I noticed that you only do a 25% water change per week on a fully stocked/slightly overstocked tank (our recommendation is 15-20 gallons per fish). Sharon (shakaho) recommended you do 50-75% per week. Others have recommended something similar. Many, but not all, of fish illnesses can be avoided by large water changes. I was wondering if these larger water changes are difficult in any way for you to do. If it is hard to do this large of a change at one time, then upping your 25% water changes to three times a week would help significantly with water quality.

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Yes, the larger water changes are difficult because I have to go from my living room to my kitchen to dump the water and walk back and forth to do 1 gallon at a time to refill the tank. However, I am planning on doing a 50% water change every week now. I do have a question though: my fish are only about a year old and from what I've read, they will get bigger as the years go on. Since mine are so small now, do they dirty the water enough each week as much as they would when they get bigger? That's another reason I haven't switched to 50% changes, because whenever I test my water, it is at 0 on ammonia and nitrites, and nitrates are within the preferred range as well. My logic was that since they are extremely small for the size of the tank (as of right now), the biological filter could sustain it with a 25% change. However, this is not me thinking I'm more knowledgeable in this area by any means. I fully realize y'all have an immense amount of more experience and knowledge than I do, I was just wondering if someone could explain that to me. I do see that water changes never hurt and they are a sure way to know your tank water is not harming your fish, which is why I intend to take your suggestion and switch to 50% WC :)

Thank you for your input!

Also, thank you for answering about washing hands!

Edited by SarahLee7

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Okay I am willing to try the massaging thing, but I've got a few questions. I'm scared I will hurt my goldfish by applying too much pressure or not enough. Any pointers on that? Also, do you have a link for that thread so that I can read it and use it as instructions? Should I have her out of the water or in the water still? If above water, will she be okay to be above water for the full 15 seconds or do I need to take breaks and put her back under water for a few seconds?

Also, the area you want me to massage: do I need to do the side and do both sides or do I massage under her "chin"?

She's very small so I'm very afraid I'm going to injure her or traumatize her. I am going to try it though! If it will work, then I will do whatever it takes. Also, would you suggest I put her in a one gallon bowl so that it's easier to pick her up or just pick her up from in the tank?

I'm sorry I have so many questions, but  I want to do this the correct way and not injure my fish. Thank you so much for the help! I feel like this may work and help her recover.

 

hun, it doesn't need to be anything major, just a gentle wiggle of your finger at that point. you should be able to feel the structure of her jaw ends (the pointiest bits) and just gently wiggle your finger over them. this is to help with if in case there is some misalignment in that area, preventing the mouth from properly operating. if you feel you want to do the same with the sides of the mouth, that is fine, whatever you and the fish are comfortable with. with that other thread, the point of massage was in a slightly different spot, there is no video displayed on that thread how the OP massaged.. but there have been great improvements to that particular fish after massaging. http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/123616-things-seem-to-be-going-downhill-fast/

 

you can do it in a bowl, again, whatever is comfortable for you and the fish. you will work out the best routine for both :)

 

with hands, i just wash my hands with antibacterial hand soap and rinse well. i'm good to go.

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Little fish definitely create less waste than larger fish. Since your fish are small it is a good time to help build a strong immune system by having great water quality now. While you test for Ammonia, NO2 and NO3, there are other things in the water that buildup over time that do put stress on a fish's immune system.

 

Have you considered using a python to do water changes? http://www.amazon.com/Python-Aquarium-Maintenance-System-50-Feet/dp/B000255NXM/ref=sr_1_2?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1456538578&sr=1-2&keywords=python+water+changer

 

There are 25 feet and 75 feet versions. Many of us at Koko's use a python or something like it. It is a life saver!

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Helen, thank you so much! I will try it either tonight or tomorrow and let you know how it goes :)

LisaCGold, okay that makes sense! Thank you for explaining, I didn't think about strengthening their immune systems now! I have looked it up and I'm thinking it would definitely benefit me so I may go ahead and purchase one. Thank you so much for your help :)

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I know what you mean about the difficulty of water changes. I have to travel for my water changes, too. I do 50% twice weekly and its making my arms VERY STRONG! I noticed this definitively when I playfully shoved a friend and he went flying! I go from my bedroom to my hallway bathroom. I clean gravel once a week. The rest of the water I find is faster to just dip out into 5 gallon buckets and lug them to the bathtub to dump. VERY HEAVY but I'm finding it easier and easier as my arms get used to it, its like weight lifting. I'm 5'9" and quite heavy so I manage. Sort of annoying but I'm getting used to it. That Python thing is SO PRICEY but when I get my 55 gallon tank - I'll probably end up having to cough up the money for one.

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initially, i went into a deal purchase with another AU member at the time, and purchased from an ebay store, a complete python with an additional extension hose. the hoses are heavy and it cost a bucket of money to have them shipped from the US to AU. a part failed, so i purchased (in bulk) all my python back up components from kensfish.com. the price was the most affordable and the service was pretty good. 

 

with my initial purchase, had i known that i can get similar or suitable tubing from our local hardware warehouse (cheaper too! also, some of the python hose components can be replaced with normal garden hose fittings), we could have saved money on shipping by buying the components only as the package would have been significantly lighter.

 

you may want to look at that option also :)

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Good advice Helen. I was going to shop around if I ended up needing one. Amazon usually isn't my first option anyway. I saw one of these on Craigslist ages ago when I only had a ten gallon tank for $25. Had I been using my head - I'd have tried to get it... But I was like - I don't need this now and so I passed on it. Mehhhh... Probably not a great idea but we live and we learn!

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