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Test Results for the Following:

* Ammonia Level(Tank) 0

* Nitrite Level(Tank) 0

* Nitrate level(Tank) 60-80 (it's a day past water change day)

* Ammonia Level(Tap)0

* Nitrite Level(Tap)0

* Nitrate level(Tap)0

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.2 7.6

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

Other Required Info: not sure

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API liquid drops

* Water temperature? 71 degrees

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 55 gal 7 months

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aquaclear 70 x 2 and a double sponge.

* How often do you change the water and how much? Weekly between 60-75%

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 8 days @ 60% until this morning. (I've done two changes this morning of 70%.

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 4 Fancy Goldfishall around palm sized, 4 nerite snails and some small Ramshorn.

* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime

* What do you feed your fish and how often? Mixture of nls thera a, algae max, and hikari lionhead twice a day

* Any new fish added to the tank? Some Ramshorn Snails from one of my other tanks

* Any medications added to the tank? None yet

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. None they have always been healthy with the exception of a tumor on one guy shortly after I got him but it went away within a couple days.

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? All great with the exception of this eyes this morning and some very pale poop this week.

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Active, no fin clamping or sitting, great appetites.

About a month ago I removed all the plants and transferred to other tanks, with the exception of two swords that I returned in dirted bowls to the Goldfish tank. This was the first nitrate spike I had.... I have reduced feeding. Everyone has been perfectly active and happy until this morning when I gave them their breakfast I noticed the white cloudy eye on stripes I believe he had the odd poops earlier in the week too... Upon closer inspection the left eyes of at least one more of my guys is turning cloudy as well

would the recommended treatment be aside from increased changes?

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Someone will be along to help you. Hope they feel better.

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Is the 7.6 your tap pH?

The link isn't working for me.

Definitely start doing a 90% back to back water change if the tap pH is in fact 7.6 and the tank is 7.2 and if there are still that many nitrates in the water.

Reducing feeding won't help that much with nitrate reduction. It'll help but not much.

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Sorry I meant ph was between 7.2 and 7.6 in the tank. I haven't tested the tap ph in awhile.

I've already done two water changes this morning, the nitrate reading was before those, I'm getting ready to test them again. To see if I need to do another.

Thank you. I just hope I can get my guys back healthy.

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Just now finished with the third change, pre-change they were still between 20 and 40.

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No point to keep going... Tests after the third change shows 0. (This one I had done a 90%)

Im thinking the cause of the nitrate spike is where my water softener and well water was acting up last week?

Normally at the very end of the week they are 40ish. And I never skip a week.

Aside from the water changes, the cloudy eyes and white stringy poops.. To me it seems like bacteria but id rather have some collaborations on that in case I'm wrong and it's a fungus or parasites? What would the recommended treatment to start with be? Salt or jump right to meds?

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What symptoms make you think it's bacterial?  The white stringy poop may well have been the high nitrate . . . 

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I was thinking bacterial from the cloudy eye and the poop, I know they both can be signs of bacteria. And it all could be leading from the water quality. If I don't have to medicate that's great.

There are no sharp objects in the tank at all for cuts unless it could have been scratched by the sand itself (pfs) and then I would think it unlikely that two of them were scratched.

I also didn't jump to parasites because the last true foreign introduction to the tank was some frogbit from well over two months ago. I did recently add the Ramshorn Snails but they were from another of my own tanks without issues.

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I would suspect a water quality issue, particularly with that nitrate spike.  Clean water (which you have done) with a little (1 tsp/gallon) salt should be a first treatment.  

 

You have an ongoing potential problem with your stocking level.  A "palm-sized" fancy goldfish exceeds average size, and 4 average-sized goldfish makes a somewhat overstocked 55 gallon tank.  Perhaps you should start twice a week water changes.

 

I don't understand how a water softener problem could cause a nitrate spike, although it could cause a pH change, which in turn could cause cloudy eyes.

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Here are some more pics

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Thanks for the advice :)

As for the water softener/well that was more or less a shot in the dark because I can't think of anything else that would have caused it unless it's the dirted plant bowls. I don't test the water every single week but I do fairly often. Maybe they have just simply outgrown their tank lately.

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It could very well be the dirted plant bowls. Would you be able to test your nitrates tomorrow to see if they jump again? If you have any frets in there they could cause the spike. I know the root tabs have a warning saying they can increase nitrates.

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I was thinking ph with the cloudy eyes also. But the stringy poo could definitely be the water quality/nitrates. I'd just stay on top of that, keep a close eye on them, and let us know if things get worse with the eyes or if new signs show up. :)

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I'm very happy to say all their eyes have cleared up with only the clean water and I'm not seeing any more abnormal poops so far.

Come to think about it I was afraid they were digging past my sand cap on my dirted bowls a couple weeks back and I recapped them and covered the sand cap with large glass stones in the bowls. The damage may have already been done to the water column at that point.

Either way I am going to be testing the water ever day or too for the next week, so far all is going well.

Thank for all the help guys!

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