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How to trim wen growth & Where to buy Clove Oil in Canada

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Okay so just thought I'd double check where on earth I can buy Clove oil in Canada!

I don't see it on Walmarts website and I figured theyd have a larger selection then most other stores so curious as to what larger Canadian retailers I might find it at.

 

And on that note....

Squishy needs her wen trimmed... I think?
What used to be just a small zit sized white growth now looks like a 2nd brain growing off her head and might be more comfortable (aerodynamic) if it gets trimmed off.  I don't think its attached by much either so do I really need clove oil to trim it?
It's been slowly growing over the last 2+ years.

I think I read 5 drops per gallon to sedate her, trim, then flush with tank water until awake again. (well not quite so basic but that's the basics?)

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Gnc, maybe the body shop or places like that should carry clove oil, possibly shoppers or some kinda pharmacy store might as well... I can't remember where exactly I got mine from but it was one of those health and beauty/supplement shops.

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Unfortunately, that does not look like wen growth. It appears to be a tumor to my eyes. A mod will be by soon to help.

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Usually health stores have it. And that looks more like a tumor to me, not wen growth.

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I was always told on here that white was an okay colour even when i asked about her head spot when it was much smaller and i first noticed it. Dont worry... white is wen growth and is usally nothing to worry about even if its a single location...

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I was always told on here that white was an okay colour even when i asked about her head spot when it was much smaller and i first noticed it. Dont worry... white is wen growth and is usally nothing to worry about even if its a single location...

Usually the white goes away and turns the color of the wen though, it doesn't stay and keep growing up like it is. Wens most of the time grow somewhat evenly... At least in my experiences they have.

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I once shared this exact photo and was told that this was totally healthy and normal.

Squishys spot looked the same. Its just had 2.5 years to grow in the 1 spot.

Cant find the photo of her spot starting on my photobucket.

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That to me does not look normal. However, if it went away, I wouldn't have worried about it. But instead of blending into the wen, this grew way upwards and looks tumor like to me now.

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That to me does not look normal. However, if it went away, I wouldn't have worried about it. But instead of blending into the wen, this grew way upwards and looks tumor like to me now.

This. If it was wen I'd imagine it to be more even growth over the head, this doesn't look like a wen to me either :( But wait for mods..

 

As for clove oil I'm not in canada but here the best place to get it is the pharmacy

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Calamity, the photo you shared above of the white on the cheek is normal wen growth. See how it only appears at the surface? That's stuff that you can rub off if you wanted and it will come off on your fingers. It's more of a film of cells on the surface of the wen.

 

However, the photo at the top of the page, where the mass is coming out of the top of the head, is not normal wen growth and it is a tumor. There's a very visible difference in the type of growth that is going on. 

 

The wen would grow uniformly outward from the top of the head, even in the case of a goosehead-type wen. See how in that link the wen grows from behind the eyes to the back of the head? Your fish's growth is localized to one area, which is the first sign that it's not normal growth. The second sign is that it has a cauliflower-like appearance. A normal wen is bubbly, yes, but these bubbles are smallish and leave creases in the head. In this photo of a Jade Seal Oranda, you can see the creases and bubbles and how smooth they are at the surface, as well as what proper white wen color should look like. 

 

I'm sorry if someone told you in the beginning, when the spot started, that that was normal. It may have indeed looked normal at the time that you showed us what was going on. However, we now know that it's not a normal growth and I bet the moderating team can walk you through a plan to fix it. They really are a bright bunch of people. :heart

 

You'll likely still require the clove oil to trim off the tumor, so don't miss out on that. 

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Yes that is a tumor.  I would recommend finding a veterinarian to remove it.  Unlike wen,  tumors may have blood vessels.

 

I don't know if the white film in wen crevices that people commonly call "wen growth" actually has anything to do with wen growth, but it does not normally cause any problems and certainly does not usually result in a tumor.    According to those who have examined it under a microscope, it consists of bacteria -- presumably harmless bacteria.  Any tissue -- wen, skin,  bone, etc. can become tumorous.  The little white projection in the picture you show in post #7 is not typical of  "wen growth"  and may actually be the start of the tumor.  

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Well turmor or not. I think she will be happier with a more aerodynamic head.

Is there specific instructions you guys would recommend or have a link too on the site? Ive seen a few articles and the euthanization video on here so i get the jist of it but want to be 100%

Guess its too much for a normal pet. She goes well with One Eye. Lol

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If it's a tumor, you wouldn't need to euthanize unless you wanted to. As far as surgery goes, you could have a vet do it or you could do it yourself. In the Treatment ' section I believe Helen may have video of her surgeries. :)

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If it's a tumor, you wouldn't need to euthanize unless you wanted to. As far as surgery goes, you could have a vet do it or you could do it yourself. In the Treatment ' section I believe Helen may have video of her surgeries. :)

Oh goodness no, I wouldn't put her down over her lumpy head.  It was just the only video I saw on the forum for the method of clove oil to sedate (then she added the extra to put the fish down)

Squishy is happy as can be, isn't any difference in her personality or eating habits or anything since the day I got her. One Eye might be a little slower, but hes also got twice the amount of tail to drag around with him now ;)

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Shoppers doesnt carry it anymore. Found some at pharmasave. Will be sure to get photos when i do it.

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Has anyone ever removed the entire wen or trimmed it when it started to grow. It looks like I would to hire a wen specialist to clean up my Oranda when he/she needs it!

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Has anyone ever removed the entire wen or trimmed it when it started to grow. It looks like I would to hire a wen specialist to clean up my Oranda when he/she needs it!

You should never remove the whole wen. Trimming has been done a lot in the past. You can see videos all over YouTube. :)

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On 6/28/2015 at 8:12 PM, Calamity said:

Okay so just thought I'd double check where on earth I can buy Clove oil in Canada!

I don't see it on Walmarts website and I figured theyd have a larger selection then most other stores so curious as to what larger Canadian retailers I might find it at.

 

And on that note....

Squishy needs her wen trimmed... I think?
What used to be just a small zit sized white growth now looks like a 2nd brain growing off her head and might be more comfortable (aerodynamic) if it gets trimmed off.  I don't think its attached by much either so do I really need clove oil to trim it?
It's been slowly growing over the last 2+ years.

I think I read 5 drops per gallon to sedate her, trim, then flush with tank water until awake again. (well not quite so basic but that's the basics?)

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20150628_185351.jpg
20150628_185449.jpg
20150628_185502.jpg



 

 

 

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Re: Canadian Clove oil

I also live in Canada. There are a lot of places that sell it online. Where abouts in Canada are you? I live in Edmonton and I can buy it locally here. I googled it and found a place called Fern & Petal in Vancouver, BC. They sell clove oil and also ship as well. Hope this helps.

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There is another way to remove one such as you have. It is called  a legget, that is to tie off the thing so as to restrict the flow of blood into it. This causes it to wither away and finally just fall off . No sedates are required and no surgery.  Needs a little patience but works. 

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that growth does not look like wen growth but some type of tumor. I am not a fan of any type of wen reduction unless it is restricting breathing of the fish. Not worth the risk imo.

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That fish/tumor was posted 6 years ago so I think its sorted now ;)

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