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Possible bacterial infection - fluid around eye and gulping


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Again not the best pictures but if you need anymore please let me know and I'll try:

1) tank shot - http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae211/lillypetal1/CBB773D2-1B5A-4DD3-8041-107E807937C2_zpst6zfwp8u.jpg

2) you can see the speckles of blood on her belly here - http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae211/lillypetal1/822DFD73-E073-4E53-ACE1-0BC93CE45F26_zpsgykhss3d.jpg

3) overhead shot - http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae211/lillypetal1/305156C8-43ED-43BF-AF16-FAF9690C50A3_zpsuaqqkkao.jpg

4) you can see her very swollen stomach from below gill flap really distended - http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae211/lillypetal1/DF8BE85D-3613-4D14-9377-7701F8ABB14A_zpsc8eoyhws.jpg

I don't think the pictures really depict very well how much her body shape has changed. Also I tried and failed to get pictures showing the state of her fins but there is a couple of tears but they've gone white and fluffy around the edges.

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Not good! Since you've already done antibiotics and it didn't nail it trying to decide on a treatment is difficult, but we are discussing it. Thank you for the pictures, they help!

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She's still doing the same, the blood on her tummy seems to have disappeared but still as pineconed as before. She seems to go through phases in activity, one day a bit lethargic spending a lot of time at the top, the next really active and normal, today's one of those good days.

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Anybody have any thoughts? My Maxine's still going.. She's still very pineconed though and has developed black marks on her scales and face, almost looks like ammonia burns but my levels are all fine and the other two aren't affected. One scale was bloodied today also. She's slowed down a bit today and is bottom sitting in a quiet corner of the tank a little.

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Any pictures? It could be melanophore migration from her healing, or it could be something else. If she is persistently pine coned even after antibiotics you can continue to try Epsom salt to reduce swelling, but we don't want to damage her kidneys. Can you refresh my memory on what treatments have been done thus far?

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Pictures would still be a big help to judge what may be going on with the black areas, but we conferred on this and the recommendation was that baytril might be the only thing effective at this point without causing kidney damage. The downside is that this is generally only available through a vet, which can get very expensive. Is that something you'd consider? Nothing else seems to have gotten on top of her bacterial infection, unfortunately :(

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I'll send pictures as soon as I can. She initially had a course of metroplex and kanaplex in combo with Epsom, then had an extended course of metro and triple sulfa with Epsom. If you would like exact durations and dates of each treatment I can work it out if it's helpful?

Do you know roughly how much baytril would be? And would this be in injection form right? Depending on how expensive we're talking I would be willing to try it for my little baby. Do you know roughly how much this could be? Would I need to find a vet who specialises in goldfish specifically? If anybody has any recommendations for someone in london uk please do let me know. Will get back to you with the pics as soon as I can and once again thank you so much for your continued support and time.

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Yes, Baytril would be an injection.  I have no idea what it would cost.  If that is something you're interested in trying, I'd call around.  If you call a vet's office that doesn't  treat fish, ask if they know one that does.  :D

 

Other than that I think we've exhausted our options.  :hug

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I've always compounded baytril myself, and the tablets are maybe $30 for a pack last I checked? But unless you have some experience in pharmacy and administering subcutaneous or intravenous medication I wouldn't recommend doing it yourself. Like Lisa said, call around and try to get recommendations for a fish vet or an exotic vet comfortable with administering antibiotics to a fish. Normal consultation and treatment can range anywhere from $50-400 USD, but it is so highly variable!

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just reading through your very first post with the answers to our questions.. i realize this:

 

* How many fish in the tank and their size? Three fish, two large orandas and my recent join a medium oranda.

 

  • was the new addition quarantined and treated with prazi/salt before adding to the main tank? have any of your fish been treated with prazi/salt, ever? 
  • how long after adding the new fish did the issues begin?
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Sorry late reply, had a busy week with work. My new fish was in qt for a few weeks before joining the tank. I continued rounds of prazi treatment with all of them when my new fish joined and I had previously done a few rounds of prazi treatment a year before.

After discussing the baytril option with my family and calling a few dismissive vets, we decided it's probably better not to put Maxine through much more. She seemed healthy and active otherwise and eating well despite the fact she looked a bit battered. However yesterday morning when I looked up she's rapidly deteriorated, it's like she can't swim anymore and is just whirling around upside down being pushed around by the current. She's not responding to me anymore or the other two fish and her breathing has slowed down. I thought she would pass whilst I was at work or overnight and she still hasn't. It's the most horrific thing I've seen yet. If I believed in euthanasia I would be doing that but I don't :( going to remove her from the main tank shortly and put her in a separate tank so that she can peacefully die without currents. Thank you one again for all your help, you guys are incredible x

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I'm sorry she is suffering. Not every fish can be treated and brought back to full health, just like humans and other animals. It's still hard to lose a pet and you did your very best to help her condition :grouphug

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Thank you for your kind words ❤️ Before I left for work we moved her into her own tank so that she's not pushed around by the current and I also think my other two seemed a bit slower with her in there, they could obviously realise how sick she is I think. She's still going but barely moving, just floating now not twirling and occasionally moving her mouth, very slow breaths. Am I doing the right thing by not attempting to feed her? She hasn't eaten for about 48 hours but before that wasn't eating too much anyway.

It's so hard seeing something you've had for so long and grown so attached to in this state, especially because she's thrived so much for the time I've had her. She used to be a tiny little not the best looking red cap and she grew to be a beautiful round golden stunner with the most lovely feisty character ever, she brought me soo much joy. Seeing the pain she's obviously in right now has completely put me off goldfish. In the past when I've had fish pass it's usually been quite quick and not like this. I think after my other two go one day I will be giving up the hobby ???? it's crazy the effect that 'just goldfish' as people love to say, can have on you.

You guys have honestly been the best support though and if it wasn't for all your advice I wouldn't have had a clue how to try and treat her and I would feel even more guilty right now about the state that she is in. You're all incredibly knowledgeable and have put so much time into helping me and I really appreciate it ❤️

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Thank you. I dropped a couple of peas in but she's not even acknowledging it she's completely out of it yet somehow still going ????. Her mouth doesn't fully close either now. Also is it normal that her qt tank I've put her in heavily smells of ammonia? That's the only way I can describe it. Do fish who are extremely ill produce more ammonia? I've done a water change for her today just to help make her more comfortable because the smell was disturbing but it's back again. She's continuing to turn even more black and her fins are heavily streaked in red which I guess is normal because it the stress she's under.

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No I haven't but it's the same water that I'm using for my normal tank water changes (which I change at the same time because it's easier) but there's no odour - also I think it smells of ammonia, to be honest I was just avoiding being crude but it smells like a public toilet. (Sorry)

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Update: just tested and ammonia levels are reading as usual, between 0-0.25, same as main tank and same as tap water. Please note the range is simply because I find it soo hard to determine which it is from the test card reading and I'd say it's somewhere between the 2 colours.

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My girl is still going. Her mouth is now completely stuck open though but I can see her gills slowly moving. My guess is that the tetanus bacteria has taken hold and that's why she can't swim and her mouth is locked into place? I'm guessing it took hold because she was already ill with the dropsy. Anything that can be done in this late stage..? ????

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