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Kat_M

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Hi guys - I haven't been here for a while and I hope you and your water pups are all fine.

I am worried about Zuza. So far she has been in good health (she is 2 years old), except for occasional issues with SB. But for the last 4 days she has been bottomsitting pretty much non stop. She doesn't get excited when she sees me or my parents but she eats ok. She is not really clamping, and she doesn't have any other symptoms (though her belly is red from sitting). I am baffled as to what may be wrong with her.

Any suggestions regarding appropriate course of action?

Ammonia: 0ppm

Nitrite: 0ppm

Nitrate: 15ppm

Ph: 8

Recent treatment: 6 rounds of prazi throughout November and December 2014. Metronidazole added at some point as everyone in tank reacted to Prazi. In February we lost Bandit - he was sick since September; his symptoms were similar - bottomsitting and gasping.

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How often do you clean the tank? Any new fish added? What kind of filtration? Do you use a water conditioner? Can you get a pic of her red belly, it could be something else then from sitting on it. Good luck hun, you have had her a long time.

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  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
      • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
      • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
      • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
      • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
      • * Any new fish added to the tank?
      • * Any medications added to the tank?
      • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
      • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
      • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

       

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Hi Kat  :hi

 

Go ahead and fill out the form that Koko posted.  Can you QT her in a separate bare bottom tank?  Let's start by fasting her for a day or two.  Is she bloated at all?  What meds do you have?

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  • Test Results for the Following:

  • * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0ppm
  • * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0ppm
  • * Nitrate level(Tank)15ppm
  • * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0ppm
  • * Nitrite Level(Tap)0ppm
  • * Nitrate level(Tap) 0ppm
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.6
  • Other Required Info:

  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? api master kit
  • * Water temperature? 20C
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 200 l (new tank but fully cycled filters)
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Eheim pro (cannot remember size though)
  • * How often do you change the water and how much? 2 x 50% per week on the week when I am not at home; 1 x 50% and 1 x 100% when I am at home
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Tuesday this week; 100%
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 4 (1 large; 2 juveniles; and 1 tiny one )
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Twice a day, variety of foods
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? No
  • * Any medications added to the tank? No
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

    6 rounds of Prazi Nov/Dec 2014; in the second week metronidazole added as all fish reacted badly;

  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? No; she has red abdomen but this is due to bottomsitting
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? only bottomsitting

Thank you so much for the check list, Koko :) I am hopeless with Tapatalk and I cannot find anything while using it.

Hi Jared :) She has had peas twice in a raw; and yesterday my mum gave her a grain of Epsom in her food. She doesn't seem bloated at all.

Medication: Metronidazole; Kanaplex, Triple Sulfa; Furan 2 and Bifuran; Neoplex,

If she needs to be in QT then I will speak to my parents about setting up one for her. I admit, they won't be happy about it but realistically I don't see a way of treating her in the main tank.

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I found this is MIGHT help, Im THINKING the bottom redness is not from sitting at the bottom but something else, I could be wrong, could you post a pic of it???

http://www.goldfish-emergency.com/viewpage.php?page_id=174

Hi CourtneyandThunder :) I read the article - are you referring to nitrite poisoning? If so, then it is not very likely as water in the tank is being tested daily, if not twice a day (what can I say.... My dad feels very responsible for the tank gang.... Or feeling extremely bored as he has been on sick leave for month now :rofl). As for the photo, unfortunately I am not able to provide it as I am currently away with work and my parents are looking after the tank gang.

I saw Zuzanna on FaceTime and she seems to be doing much better. As a matter of fact, she was de only one active while the rest was "napping". I will see her again in about 1 hour. As for her tummy, my mum reported it looks better today. Fingers crossed she continues to improve. I am begging to think she might have "overheard" our conversation about separating her and she has decided that bottomsitting is not cool at all :rofl

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I found this is MIGHT help, Im THINKING the bottom redness is not from sitting at the bottom but something else, I could be wrong, could you post a pic of it???

 

 

http://www.goldfish-emergency.com/viewpage.php?page_id=174

 

Hello, please don't take any offense, but I would like to suggest that we try not to get treatment link helps from other sites, with the exception of GFK. The issue is that everyone has a slightly different take on things, and some are just wrong. So, let's try our methods first, and if we collectively are stumped, then we should scour the internet for additional help.

 

I hope that makes sense. :)

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I am very happy to report that Miss Zuzanna is back to her perky self. I have no clue what was wrong with her but she is clearly happy now.

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