Red Blood Vessels, Ragged fins

[troy.telford 74]

I actually already just had that discussion and know just the thing.

[Flipper 13,057]

I just treated my Oranda who looked like yours (although not quite as severe) with two antibiotics. My fish had all the symptoms of bacterial septicemia. There is also a viral septicemia which is deadly and highly contagious. I put my fish in a 10 gallon hospital tank that was pre-cycled, salted, extra aeration and ready to go. I treated with E-mycin and Kanaplex as directed.

I'm not a Vet. Hopefully someone with more authority than I can better help you.

My opinion though is you're dealing with the same illness. Best of luck to you!

It's really nice of you to chime in here. But on the D&D threads, the mods and helpers are the one diagnosing and treating while the rest of us offer encouragement. This is so that things don't get confusing. The mods converse behind the scene often times. I know you are new to Kokos and was just overing your 2 cents, but just thought I'd tell you how we do it here

[troy.telford 74]

I have a lid in place, so now I don't have to worry about fish jumping or the errant feline paw.

 

After some initial mopeyness I'll attribute to transplanting between tanks, the fish's behavior is back to normal. He's swimming all around the QT tank, top, bottom, each corner, etc.

 

I'll report back progress as time passes.  (sigh)... waiting is always the hard part...

Edited February 3, 2015 by troy.telford

[yafashelli 9,540]

Waiting for improvement is the worst.  Hang in there, we're all with you! 

[troy.telford 74]

Quick status update: fins are definitely getting redder. Fish's behavior not really that different.

I'm hoping the antibiotics just take time to take effect. I know they generally do in Humans.

I did get PraziPro from FedEx today. I haven't dosed with PraziPro as I have no idea how it interacts with the antibiotics.

[fantailfan1 26,742]

You can dose prazi with the antibiotics but let's hold off for now. And it does typically take a good 48-72 hours for the antibiotics to kick in.

Did u test ammonia and nitrite?

[troy.telford 74]

Ammonia is 0.25 ppm. Nitrite is still zero.

[Flipper 13,057]

[fantailfan1 26,742]

Add a single dose of Prime. Are you supposed to dose Kanaplex daily? I haven't used it but it seems I remember that you are?

You don't have a filter in the QT tank, right?

[troy.telford 74]

Single dose of prime: Easy.

Kanaplex and Metroplex can be combined, and they are both supposed to be dosed every 2 days for up to three weeks.

 

The only other thing in the tank is an air stone connected to a whisper 10 air pump.

[fantailfan1 26,742]

OK, so today will be WC day.  Do a 100% WC or 2 large back to back WCs if you don't want to move him.  The reason I asked about the filter was I wanted to make sure you didn't have a filter with carbon. 

 

An air stone and large WCs is what I typically use also.  Fins crossed that things start to look better soon. 

 

It seems to me that when Jared contacted Seachem, they told him Kanaplex could be used up to 12 days.  Where did you read up to 3 weeks? 

[troy.telford 74]

Ah.  OK.

MetroPlex instructions list 3 weeks "or until symptoms disappear".

KanaPlex instructions list "Maximum of 3 doses"  (So with semi-daily dosing, that makes it 6 days?)

So may brain read "3 weeks" on the metro, and then saw "3" on the kanaplex and registered 3 weeks.  Good catch.

I'm at work, so I'll do a 100 % water change when I get home.

[fantailfan1 26,742]

We typically use MetroPlex for a minimum of 14 days, longer if symptoms persist.  And, like I said, Jared contacted Seachem regarding dosing of KanaPlex and they said that you can do 2 rounds (so 12 days) safely. 

[troy.telford 74]

Excellent, and I really appreciate Jared for contacting Seachem

[troy.telford 74]

I've given the tank a 100% water change, and new doses of MetroPlex and Kanaplex.

Helmut has a normal activity level. His fins don't look very different from yesterday.

[fantailfan1 26,742]

Normal activity is good.  Eating well? 

[troy.telford 74]

Seems to be eating well. Took him a bit to figure out there was food, but he found and ate it.

[troy.telford 74]

Poopin normal too.

[Flipper 13,057]

cool beans

[Chai 7,337]

It is a rather vicious-looking infection when this occurs, but a lot of it has to do with the behaviour of the fish as well. If it is in good spirits and fighting, the rest is up to the medication.

It will hopefully begin to clear up soon, hang in there and update if you see anything changing.

[troy.telford 74]

Status:

Fish is still acting normal

* normal activity level

* still eating

Fins are looking more or less the same; I'll get a better picture with morning and better light. Or at least when I don't have a cat lying on me.

Ammonia is less than 0.25ppm; Nitrite is zero.

I've dosed the tank with Prime for the ammonia. I plan on doing a water change tomorrow.

[troy.telford 74]

Images:

I do wish I could get a better pic of his right side, but he was being unhelpful.

Edited February 6, 2015 by troy.telford

[fantailfan1 26,742]

  They usually aren't very cooperative when it comes to pics. 

 

I think it's looking better.  I'll have to go back and look at the pics from a day or two ago but I think it's improving. 

[shakaho 6,313]

I agree.  The fins are no longer clamped and the fish just looks happier.

[troy.telford 74]

The red spots at the extreme ends of his fins are much less red, as are the anal fins.

I don't have a pic of the anal fins from the past 48 hours, but they are visible in the pic in post #6 (Monday), where they were quite red.

They are looking a bit better this morning too.