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I'm going to fast her for a couple of days and try the high intensity Epsom dips again, see if they help. I went through my videos last night and found one where she was swimming like normal after some of those treatments last ditch effort... Wish me luck!

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I'm going to fast her for a couple of days and try the high intensity Epsom dips again, see if they help. I went through my videos last night and found one where she was swimming like normal after some of those treatments last ditch effort... Wish me luck!

Good energy to you and to your goldie on the dip!

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Thanks Dalya. I hope she pulls through. She's so stubborn and extremely hearty. She's been through my entire learning process, and I've made a lot of mistakes!

Cindi, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with SBD. It's terrible that we've bred them in such a way as to cause it - we are hurting ourselves, too! I hope your finbaby makes a full recovery.

Lisa - thanks, I hope I've done everything possible. Before I go ahead with the salt treatment, I have to ask - can it be combined with the Metronidazole? I read somewhere that it's not good to use them together, is that correct?

I want tostart the dips tomorrow, but I want to make sure I'm not going to make matters worse.

Thank you!!

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Wishing you all the best for your beautiful fish, whatever you decide to do. I'm sorry that I can't be of any help but I've been there with my Googs and I know how heart-breaking it is to see them suffer. It looks like you're doing your absolute best :hug

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Weird... I am using a pH stabilizer on all three of my tanks. Hers is the only one that keeps dropping.

The metro, pH stabilizer, a little bit of aquarium salt, just floss in the filter, and two stalks of anacharis are all that's in there with her... And the stabilizer is supposed to sustain a 7.0 pH for some time, but it's not and I don't understand why.

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I don't recall the brand and I can't seem to find it online anywhere. I just got it about a week ago because the fizz tabs I was using weren't cutting it... My LFS likes seachem, so I'm assuming it's their Neutral regulator.

My tap pH is really high, 8.6-8.8 and the pH was 6.8 in her tank when I measured it this morning. It keeps slipping down and I'm worried because I'm sure the fluctuations aren't helping in her possible recovery...

Kh I'm not sure of - I couldn't find any information online when I looked for my city information, but my zip code is 94116 - San Francisco... =\

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There are some planted tank forums that show a range of 1-3 kh (I don't even know...) In the area.

Is there a sticky I can read about baking soda, or would you mind giving me some advice?

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I found a water quality report for San Francisco (not sure which area code) from 2013.  It showed KH of 46 and a pH of 9.3.  :yikes   A range of 1-3 would be 17.9-53.7.  So, yeah.  All of those are too low. 

 

I will link you to an article that Alex wrote about stabilizing pH with baking soda.  I would shoot for raising it 100 since we don't know exactly what your KH is but whether it's 17.9 or 53.7 or anywhere in between, raising it 100 would be just fine.  :D

 

http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/110296-stabilizing-your-tank-ph-with-sodium-bicarbonate-baking-soda/

 

Read it and then ask any questions you have.  The baking soda will raise your pH as well but it will top out around 8.3 or so.  Which is perfectly fine for GF as long as we can keep it stable by raising your KH as well. 
 

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I read the thread and I have a ton of baking soda at home just waiting to help with this. Opinion, though? Should I remove water from the tank and slowly add the baking soda to that, then back to the tank, adding the total amount in parts? Should I spread it out over an hour or two? Days?

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What other tanks do you have?  Some fish can't live at a pH of 8.3  . . .  If some of your tanks have fish that love a low pH then you might want to leave it.

 

I would add it back slowly.  I would start by adding enough baking soda that the chart says will raise the KH 50.  Then test your pH a couple of hours later.  I would highly suggest a KH test kit since pH will rise but we will need to know where your KH is.  :D

 

If your pH is still below 8, add more baking soda and test again a couple hours later.

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I have a 20g QT running with a new oranda in it, and a~44g bowfront with a black moor, ryukin, and some plants in addition to the hospital tank she's in.

Trying to get hubs to swing by the store for a kh test on his way home. He has the car and I'm on public transit... =\

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Awesome.

Well, our LFS closes early and Petco only had the strip test (surprise! /sarcasm), but I figured a general idea was better than nothing.

I had already added enough for a 50 point bump, and the GH read about 75, and the kh read between 40 and 80, but closer to 80.

Hubs has time after class tomorrow to hit the LFS for a liquid test so we can be more accurate.

Tap water is just about the same GH, but the kh is way lower, between 0 and 40, maybe about halfway in between unless I'm slightly colorblind...

Salt dip done, next dose of metro in, pH has gone up slightly, about 7, maybe 7.2. We'll see how things are in the morning.

Thanks again for your continued help!!

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Alright, I'll have hubs grab some equilibrium when he's at the LFS.

She's much more active this morning, and she ate all three of her peas in short order, which is much more normal for her. She's got her own theme song and it involves the words, "such a hungry fish"... LoL

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So it's been a few days since I started treating the water with baking soda and doing salt dips... She seems to be more active and is even swimming a little bit off the bottom, but she can't maintain bouyancy.

I posted a video recently on Instagram, and someone on there told me that it is more than likely that her swim bladder has deflated and that it's not a fixable thing.

Try also mentioned someone here who had a fish named "Googles" that had the same problem as my Mügles, and that I should see about getting in touch with them for long term care if I decide I don't want to euthanize her. Honestly she's my gateway fish, so I want that to be the very last resort.

She seems to be doing alright in the bottom of the 10g quarantine I have her in. I think I'll stop the metro at this point. I skipped the salt dip for the first time in 5 days last night and there is barely any poop to siphon out compared to a bunch from the days she had the salt dips... Not sure what this means, but she's been eating Repashy lately, too, so that's something.

Tap kh - 50

Tap GH - 70

QT tank kh - 110

QT tank GH - 160

Other tests are good.

If anyone knows who the owner of "Googles" is, please point them my way? Thanks!!!

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