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Black Moor with Floating Issues

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Hi everyone. My black moor, P-body is acting strange. Not sure if its swim bladder or something else. We have done a water change recently. Thanks in advance for any advice you can give! Let me know what other info you need! Wanted to get a video posted as soon as I had a chance. Floatiness seems to be getting worse...:(

 

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0-0.1 ppm
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0 ppm
    • * Nitrate level(Tank) 30 ppm
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap) haven't tested tap in a while but can if necessary
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.6
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API Drop Kit
      • * Water temperature? 77.5 F
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 27 gallons (April 2013)
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aquaclear 50 and Aquaclear 70
      • * How often do you change the water and how much? 60-70% about every 4-5 days.
      • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 3 days ago
      • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 black moor (P-body)
      • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime
      • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Hikari Fancy Goldfish Sinking pellets (1 pinch-soaked before put into the tank) Nightly, Peas Occasionally, Repashy Occasionally
      • * Any new fish added to the tank? No
      • * Any medications added to the tank? A little bit of salt a couple days ago (15 tsp)--thought it might help.
      • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. 2 rounds Prazi in a couple years. Salt and Maracyn have been used for various issues including bottom sitting episodes, has been many months since the last of these treatments.
      • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? None
      • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Going vertical often and floating in a strange way, frequent runs to top to gulp air and release bubbles...floating behavior is the worst, was bottom sitting prior to floating funny but this seems to have replaced that. She is eating fine.

 

 

 

 

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:hi thanks for filling out the form. Yes, please test the tap levels. I can't view the video, it's set to private.

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Oops! Not sure how that happened! Should be visible now I think. I'll get to the tap levels as soon as I can. I have to work tonight though so it might be later before I can get to it. Last time I checked them they were pretty closely matched if that helps.

 

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How high is your tank filled? Would you be able to take a full tank shot, please?

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How is the fish's poop looking?  Have you changed anything in Peabody's diet recently?  What does his regular meal schedule look like?

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Hi Jolly  :hi

 

Will you please test your tap water parameters, particularly the Nitrate.  I am surprised your Nitrate is already at 30 after reading your stocking level and water change schedule.  I would also fast him for a day and see if constipation is an issue.  Can you tell us specifically what your were aiming to treat with the Maracyn in the past?  The active ingredient, Erythromycin is really better for gram positive bacterial infections, and since most aquatic bacterial infections are gram negative, it is not the most ideal choice for an antibiotic.  If your fish is indeed suffering from an infection, it is internal which requires something like Metronidazole and/or Kanamycin.  As for the salt, I would not recommend it for bottom sitting or buoyancy issues.  Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate) at 1/4 Teaspoon per 10 gallons is usually a better choice for this.

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Hi Jolly  :hi

 

Will you please test your tap water parameters, particularly the Nitrate.  I am surprised your Nitrate is already at 30 after reading your stocking level and water change schedule.  I would also fast him for a day and see if constipation is an issue.  Can you tell us specifically what your were aiming to treat with the Maracyn in the past?  The active ingredient, Erythromycin is really better for gram positive bacterial infections, and since most aquatic bacterial infections are gram negative, it is not the most ideal choice for an antibiotic.  If your fish is indeed suffering from an infection, it is internal which requires something like Metronidazole and/or Kanamycin.  As for the salt, I would not recommend it for bottom sitting or buoyancy issues.  Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate) at 1/4 Teaspoon per 10 gallons is usually a better choice for this.

Hey. I'm posting tank and tap parameters below. Sorry it took me so long to get to this! Its a crazy busy time of year and I work retail so its been a bit insane. I am not totally certain what we were treating her for with the Maracyn (believe it was maybe a cloudy eye or bottom sitting issues) (may have also been treating the other fish (now deceased) that was in a hospital tank with that.). It is not in the tank now at all. I'll see if Josh remembers when we did that and which fish it was for. I believe Josh did a water change the day before yesterday so salt shouldn't be in there now (or if it is just a little). I think her buoyancy is having issues but not sure if we can do much to help. Please let me know what to do next.

 

Tank Test Results: (Using API Drop Test Kit)

Temp: 74.7 F

pH: 7.4 (maybe as high a 7.6 (color is hard to read)

Ammonia: 0 ppm

Nitrites: 0 ppm

Nitrates: 10 ppm

 

Tap Water Test Results:

pH: 7.6

Ammonia: 1.0 ppm

Nitrites: 0 ppm

NItrates: 5 ppm

 

 

Thanks so much for helping! :)

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How high is your tank filled? Would you be able to take a full tank shot, please?

Tank is filled to within about 2 inches from the top. I'll work on getting a photo up!

 

How is the fish's poop looking?  Have you changed anything in Peabody's diet recently?  What does his regular meal schedule look like?

Poop is looking pretty normal. Tried a couple tiny pieces of edamame the other night and found green poop about a day later--maybe going through her a bit slower than normal I guess. Haven't changed much in the diet. Usually just do the hikari sinking pellets, fast her on average once a week, and add in peas when we make them as a treat. Just feed her once a day and not very much (pinch of the hikari, 2-3 shelled smooshed peas). 

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Oh and we are going out for groceries. Should I try to find some Epsom salt? Certain brand I need to look for?

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For selecting Epsom salts, just make certain that there are no added scents.  It should be straight Magnesium Sulfate.

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Edamame is not as easily digestible as green peas. In fact some people get digestion from edamame, less so peas.

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Is she still swimming like in the video?  We may want to try an antibiotic for an internal infection.

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Is she still swimming like in the video?  We may want to try an antibiotic for an internal infection.

Yes. She is acting like she wants to bottom sit (actually fairly normal behavior for her unfortunately) but can't because she floats up when she tries. I'll try to get another video up tonight if I can so you can see it. What kind of antibiotic would I need? Don't think I have much on hand and usually have to order it due to the pet stores not carrying much where I live. Let me know and I'll see if I can find some and get it ordered/buy it asap. Just want her to be ok again!:(

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Is she still swimming like in the video?  We may want to try an antibiotic for an internal infection.

Yes. She is acting like she wants to bottom sit (actually fairly normal behavior for her unfortunately) but can't because she floats up when she tries. I'll try to get another video up tonight if I can so you can see it. What kind of antibiotic would I need? Don't think I have much on hand and usually have to order it due to the pet stores not carrying much where I live. Let me know and I'll see if I can find some and get it ordered/buy it asap. Just want her to be ok again! :(

 

I would get Seachem Metronidazole and Kanaplex:

 

http://www.petmountain.com/product/multi-purpose-aquarium-medications/11442-503346/seachem-seachem-metronidazole-marine-freshwater-medication.html

 

http://www.petmountain.com/searchx/0/0/1/1/?s=kanaplex&g=SEARCH

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Is she still swimming like in the video?  We may want to try an antibiotic for an internal infection.

Yes. She is acting like she wants to bottom sit (actually fairly normal behavior for her unfortunately) but can't because she floats up when she tries. I'll try to get another video up tonight if I can so you can see it. What kind of antibiotic would I need? Don't think I have much on hand and usually have to order it due to the pet stores not carrying much where I live. Let me know and I'll see if I can find some and get it ordered/buy it asap. Just want her to be ok again! :(

 

I would get Seachem Metronidazole and Kanaplex:

 

http://www.petmountain.com/product/multi-purpose-aquarium-medications/11442-503346/seachem-seachem-metronidazole-marine-freshwater-medication.html

 

http://www.petmountain.com/searchx/0/0/1/1/?s=kanaplex&g=SEARCH

 

I'll try to order these asap. How much of each do I need? Just one of each? Are they similar to MetroMeds? I've been meaning to get those on hand for some time but am not sure where to order them either.

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Is she still swimming like in the video?  We may want to try an antibiotic for an internal infection.

Yes. She is acting like she wants to bottom sit (actually fairly normal behavior for her unfortunately) but can't because she floats up when she tries. I'll try to get another video up tonight if I can so you can see it. What kind of antibiotic would I need? Don't think I have much on hand and usually have to order it due to the pet stores not carrying much where I live. Let me know and I'll see if I can find some and get it ordered/buy it asap. Just want her to be ok again! :(

 

I would get Seachem Metronidazole and Kanaplex:

 

http://www.petmountain.com/product/multi-purpose-aquarium-medications/11442-503346/seachem-seachem-metronidazole-marine-freshwater-medication.html

 

http://www.petmountain.com/searchx/0/0/1/1/?s=kanaplex&g=SEARCH

 

I'll try to order these asap. How much of each do I need? Just one of each? Are they similar to MetroMeds? I've been meaning to get those on hand for some time but am not sure where to order them either.

 

I would get 2 of each if you can.  This way, you'll have plenty for this treatment and some left over for any future problems.  It would be better to treat in a small (10 gallon) quarantine tank or tub with just an airstone for circulation.  This will save you medicine and ensure that the antibiotics don't set back your biofilter.  I have use both of these meds together in my main tank without damaging the biolfilter, but I cannot guarantee that it won't impact yours.  You will also need to feed your main tank ammonia while P-body is in the QT to keep the cycle going.  

 

Metro Meds are no longer available by the seller, Goldfish Connection.  They closed the business a few months ago.  Considering that your fish is floaty, Metro Meds wouldn't be my first choice anyway as they might make this worse.

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Ok. I will see what I can get ordered as soon as I get some more money coming in...silly Christmas! I'll order 2 of each as soon as I can. Is there anything we can do in the meantime to help? Should we feed her less/differently? Add Epsom salt? ... Also any idea where we can get ammonia? Sorry for all the questions!

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I was able to find API General Cure at my local pet store. It has 250mg Metrodidazol and 75mg Praziquantel per packet. While we are waiting on the other, should we try this?

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API General Cure is not for floaty issues like this. Do you have an ETA on the metro and the kanaplex?

 

Regarding ammonia, you should be able to get in a grocery store. Just get regular ammonia, not one that foams up when you shake it or has any special scents.

 

I'll ask the moderators about using Epsom Salt in the meantime.

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Here is what Jared said about Epsom Salt above: "Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate) at 1/4 Teaspoon per 10 gallons is usually a better choice for this."

 

Do this until you get the antibiotics. It won't harm your cycle.

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Ok. We will wait on the other and try to find some Epsom salt tomorrow after work. The other has been ordered and should be here by January 3rd (I'm hoping sooner!)...couldn't afford to expedite the shipping any more than we did. :( 

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A new development.. video attached. on body near tail on right side, she seems to have a white fuzz or something.. :(

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Just monitor it and keep us posted.  The meds you have on order will help this as well if it progresses.  She actually looks much better in this video than in the last one I saw.

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She is such a cutie with those big eyes  :wub:

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Just monitor it and keep us posted.  The meds you have on order will help this as well if it progresses.  She actually looks much better in this video than in the last one I saw.

Will do. She is definitely not better...just hamming it up for the camera. Or excited that both her people were hanging out with her. We have been working WAY too much! Lol. She also knew food would happen eventually. :)

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