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My gold has SBD and well all states of the tanks are normal, she has been took out and put into another tank till she is better. She floats and swims upside down and side ways and can't go down very good. any way I have treid not feeding for 3 days. Still no difference. Well going to start with peas but I see I do not have any right now, Can I use soybeans? I have frozen ones and can cook them..

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Hello!!! I‘m sorry your goldie is having health issues. SBD is something i‘ve encoutered quite a lot of times.

Also it would really help if you could fill this form:

[*]Test Results for the Following:

[*]* Ammonia Level(Tank)

[*]* Nitrite Level(Tank)

[*]* Nitrate level(Tank)

[*]* Ammonia Level(Tap)

[*]* Nitrite Level(Tap)

[*]* Nitrate level(Tap)

[*]* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

[*]* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

Other Required Info:

    [*]* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?

    [*]* Water temperature?

    [*]* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?

    [*]* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?

    [*]* How often do you change the water and how much?

    [*]* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?

    [*]* How many fish in the tank and their size?

    [*]* What kind of water additives or conditioners?

    [*]* What do you feed your fish and how often?

    [*]* Any new fish added to the tank?

    [*]* Any medications added to the tank?

    [*]* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

    [*]* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

    [*]* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.

    Peas is not the only thing you xan use . You can feed your goldfish lettuce, spinach etc or even better, if you have on hand, a seaweed used to wrap sushi, named nori.

    SBD has several causes. Constipation is one of them. High nitrates seem to make goldfish floaty sometimes. Bacterial or viral infections, deformity or injury to the swim bladder are some more causes.

    I‘m sure a mod will be here soon. Good luck!

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The main thing you want here is fiber. Greens are actually more effective than peas. Spinach works well for most people. Green (string) beans are a good choice, but I wouldn't recommend soy beans.

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Soy beans don't seem like a good idea to me, either.

I'd suggest something along the lines of spinach, kale, red leaf lettuce, or possibly even green beans. Just blanch them in the same way you do the peas. Adding a little garlic to your water will entice them to eat a little.

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I wont be able to get the peas till tomorrow.

The regular tank him and his buddy live in is a 30gallon. I set up a 10gallon after I saw him starting to swim funny. It did not put him into the 10gallon till a week after setting it up. The lvls were all normal, PH was like 7.0, Ammonia was 0, Nitrite was 0, Nitrate was between 0-20 or so. Temp of the tank is like 74 or around that.

Also here is a HUGE question, what would cause a strange growth type thing under his chin????? I just saw that today and its freaking me out!!! I took pics of this.... Im going to do a retest in the morning but I dont see how the water would of just went crazy when I tested it two days ago.

also I only had him out of the water no more than 10 sec. I did a fast 3 pic click than back to the water.

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Can we see photos of him in water, please?

I would suggest filling out the form that Dayla posted above completely so that the moderating team has all necessary information to make an educated treatment suggestion. Without it, it will be difficult to account for factors in the environment or past that could cause issues with medication.

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Can we see photos of him in water, please?

I would suggest filling out the form that Dayla posted above completely so that the moderating team has all necessary information to make an educated treatment suggestion. Without it, it will be difficult to account for factors in the environment or past that could cause issues with medication.

Yes, could you fill out the form to the best of your ability. In the meantime, we are discussing the photos you posted :)

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Ok retested as of this morn, ALSO i did do a small water change last night cause was not sure what caused that thing on his neck.

[*]* Ammonia Level(Tank)0 [*]* Nitrite Level(Tank)0 [*]* Nitrate level(Tank)0 [*]* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.0

Other Required Info:

    [*]* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Freshwater master kit , drops [*]* Water temperature? 74 [*]* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? he is in a 10gallon recovery tank [*]* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? might be Whisper brand I can't remember. [*]* How often do you change the water and how much? He is in a recovery tank so I change it as needed, but the regular 30gallon I change it every other month or as needed. [*]* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?I did a small water change last night [*]* How many fish in the tank and their size? just him, its a recovery tank, his regular 30 gallon, has his buddy in there. [*]* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Stress coat? [*]* What do you feed your fish and how often? flakes, every day but he has not ate for about 5 days now [*]* Any new fish added to the tank? no [*]* Any medications added to the tank? no [*]* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. [*]* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? strange red puffy area under his neck, but he does have SBD [*]* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc. Floating at top, and not eating

    here is a pic, of what he just does.... he just floats thats it. He trys to swim but he just floats, He might of gave up. He is breathing and alive. But i feel like im letting him suffer... The water is not yellow... its the light doing it plus the tank it self is older so the glass has changed color. BUT still the tank is clean and works fine.

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I use big jugs of spring water from the store. I do not use tab water. If i did it would kill all my fish.

We dont have good tap water here. I have always bought the bigggg jugs of spring water from the store. This fish is a year old. His buddy is 3 years old. But I have had fish for a long time and have always used the jugged water.

Do i need to test my spring water in the jugs?

this is the first goldfish ever to have so many problems out of no where... Last time i had a problem was a big belly gold fish and it got SBD but i put him in the recovery tank and he was fine a week latter and never was this bad...

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:hi

That growth doesn't look like something that pops up overnight. Is it possible that you just haven't noticed until now? Do you have any fish antibiotics at home or can you get to a fish store that has them?

Changing your water every other month or so isn't really enough to keep 2 Goldfish in a 30 gallon healthy. I would recommend weekly water changes of 50% or more. I would also recommend switching to Seachem Prime water conditioner as it will help nuetralize ammonia and nitrite.

To help prevent SB problems, we recommend feeding Goldfish sinking pellets rather than flakes. Gel and frozen foods as well as blanched vegetables are also good.

Can you let us know specifically what you feel is bad about your tap water?

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I just have always never used tap water for my fish at all. some tims its yellow, some times its green, some times it smells, some times it tastes like metal. I have also at the start of haveing fish I did use tap water and i used all them types of stuff you put in the water to make it safe for fish. All my fish would die. I was told by a vet *when we had a fish vet* to switch to spring water. So ever sense we have been buying big jugs. Thats kind of why i only change water every other month. The two golf fish dont even make the tank dirty really. I checked on the filter in the 30gallon its the one that one that can go up to 75gallon tanks. :\..

I can start doing more water changes.. Also Im not sure if the red area on the fish started days before... The other fish in the big tank is doing good so far.

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The parameters we test aren't the only thing that makes tank water 'dirty'. The dissolved wastes in the water accumulate, creating a pretty gross environment for the fish to swim in as well. Food rots in the substrate, adding to that and encouraging the growth of bad bacteria. To add to that, goldfish have very poor digestion and so a lot of waste comes from them. We change the water so often to keep the fish from basically swimming in a septic tank. A filter can't catch everything, unfortunately.

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Could you test your 30 gallon--ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and pH? Please be sure to follow the instructions carefully, especially the nitrate test. It's a bit more involved than the others.

I'm guessing your nitrates are sky high, one of the many causes/attributing factors to SBD. His tail fin looks quite ragged. I would guess it's fin rot from poor water quality.

I agree with others. You need to up your WCs.

How much water do you change when you do a WC every other month? :idont

Not trying to be harsh, but if you don't want your other fish to start flipping/floating, the best thing you can do for it is improve his water . . . .

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Sorry for late reply, been at work all day. The red puffy spot is gone. Ya kind of strange all is there now is a very faint red area thats going away. The puffiness is gone. I have not did nothing new to the water. and YA i saw his fins like that also im not sure whats going on I thought it was fin rot but the other gold fish is doing just fine. No signs of any kind of sickness.

Also here this is the 30gallon tests I still have a few more weeks before i do the water change.

I am doing the tests just like the cards are telling me. even read the book, but i have been keeping fish for more than 15 years some i sold some died of age and some got sick. I just have not had a sick fish in some time now.

[*]* Ammonia Level(Tank) inbetween 0 and .25 *on the test card* [*]* Nitrite Level(Tank) inbetween 0 and 0.25 *on the test card* [*]* Nitrate level(Tank)5.0 [*]* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4

Other Required Info:

    [*]* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Freshwater master kit , drops [*]* Water temperature? 74/76 [*]* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 30gallon, been running for 3 years now.

    [*]* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Whisper one that goes up to 75gallon tanks. I do change the filters out when needed. When i do water change i wash the filters off but if they are still white I keep useing them. [*]* How often do you change the water and how much? every other month and i do a 50% change [*]* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Did one mid last month [*]* How many fish in the tank and their size? one at the moment, his buddy is in the recovery tank [*]* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Stress coat at moment [*]* What do you feed your fish and how often? flakes but will be switching to pellets [*]* Any new fish added to the tank? no [*]* Any medications added to the tank? no

    also I do a 50% change. and seeing what you all saying i'll up my changing times.

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how is it that you determined that your tap water is 'bad'? is purchasing spring water the reason why you only change 50% of water every other month? what water do you use to clean the filter media with? how often do you feed your fish?

why do you use stress coat?

how's your fish doing since you last updated us?

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