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Hi. So one of my common goldfish began having actual seizures about a year and a half ago. It started off as them only lasting about 5 or so seconds and only occurring occasionally, but of course over time they became a little more frequent, and now he's having seizures multiple times a day. In the 2 and a half years I've had him I have done my very best to keep him happy, healthy, and as comfortable as possible. He's always been very active and enjoys the other goldfish we have and has been extremely healthy. My water parameters are always great, temp is fine, ph stays stable, no bullying going on, no parasites or illness....etc. my question is with his seizures getting worse is there anything I can do for him to help him, or could this be close to the end for him?

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Could you put up a video of the behaviour?

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Fill out the following form to the best of your ability when requesting help for Goldfish Problems:

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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He's been hiding for about 30 minutes now...His last long seizure he slammed into my drift wood and hasn't been swimming very well sense, but once he comes out I can try to get a video. Basically one minute he would swim around fine and then literally just start convulsing, shaking, getting knocked around from the convulsions, unable to control it at all, mouth wide open, then it would stop and he'd be fine. As I said he's had small seizures for a long time but they just keep getting worse...happening more frequently, lasting longer, and convulsions seem to be stronger. I knew one day he would likely get worse, I just always hoped that he wouldn't. I don't have a vet close that deals with fish, and all the local stores have just said yep that's a seizure but couldn't really give me any advice or anything at all..so I just did my best to keep him happy, but now that he just keeps getting worse I don't know if they'll continue to get worse or if there's anything I can do for him, if there isn't should I just let him ride it out and see what happens or put him out of his misery? I just don't know. He's the only fish I've ever had that has had seizures so I'm not really sure if anything can even be done to help him or not. He is still swimming...As best he can anyway, and he will still eat. To make eating easier for him I've been just catching him in a big net and putting a little food in it. My tank is 157 gallons and I figured that was just too much space for him to try to get food right now.

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As for the tank...PH is 7.2 (has always been 7.2), temp is 68. Ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 0. 50% water change every week on Saturdays so last change was today. I use A I master kit for testing, AS I stress coat during water changes. Tank is 157 gallons. Filters are two 200 gallon sunsun canisters, one 110 gallon aquaclear. Also use a 4 port boyu air pimp with 2 bubble bars..rated for up to 300 gallons. Live plants include anubias and Java fern. Fish get fed once a day. 9 goldfish ranging from 2 inches to 11 inches in length (including tails). I've had this tank since january...was cycled before adding my guys to it. All fish have been treated with prazi, a while back I had an inch outbreak and was treated with API super ich treatment. Now there are no sick fish, no bloody fins, no fungus, no odd behaviors, no parasites...nothing weird or odd at all. No one else has had any problems at all. As I stated previously Gill has had seizures for about a year and a half...As far as I've noticed anyway, I'm not really sure if he had them before I noticed or if they just kind of came randomly

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If any of you can tell me how to post a picture I can upload a picture of him.

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Photobucket is a good one. Once you make an account, upload the pics. Then click the pic and on the side there will be a couple of links you can copy. Click the one that says IMG.

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Oops that A I and AS are supposed to be API

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And then post it here

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Okay thank you! I will make a photo bucket account as soon as I get my son down for a nap. Gill looks perfectly healthy in pictures but I know visuals can be helpful. Looking at him you'd never know he's had this problem for so long

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You can also try to video it and then post upload it to either photobucket or YouTube.

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For videos, upload a video onto youtube, make video public, and then post link here. You can open up free account on youtube.

Edit: Mikey beat me to it!

Edited by LisaCGold

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I'm sorry your fish has been having some health problems.

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Thank you. I hate it. I always hoped he would get better instead of worse, but now I'm at a loss as to what I can do for him. The closest vet that deals with fish is a good 3 hours away (when considering the horrible traffic along the way) and I know that would be a lot of stress on him. Then several people suggested I come here to try to find some answers. Oh and still working on photobucket. Should be able to get a few pictures up soon.

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A video of the "seizure" behavior is really what we need. I don't know that a pic will help. :idont

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:hi Hi Allie! You're in good hands here :)

Lori Ann :)

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Just wanted to show pictures of what he looks like and as you can see he looks very healthy. As for the video still working on it. He's still in hiding and I really can't get a very good view of him. That is why I explained what he does when he has a seizure in a previous comment hoping that maybe an explanation would be helpful until I can get a video

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If I need to explain his seizures again, I can explain the whole ordeal as detailed as I possibly can.

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No need to explain again.

My suggestion is to remove all possibly harmful decorations from the tank for now or move the fish to an empty tank.

Video will help people understand the extent of the seizure, is it flashing, etc.

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As for the tank...PH is 7.2 (has always been 7.2), temp is 68. Ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 0. 50% water change every week on Saturdays so last change was today. I use A I master kit for testing, AS I stress coat during water changes. Tank is 157 gallons. Filters are two 200 gallon sunsun canisters, one 110 gallon aquaclear. Also use a 4 port boyu air pimp with 2 bubble bars..rated for up to 300 gallons. Live plants include anubias and Java fern. Fish get fed once a day. 9 goldfish ranging from 2 inches to 11 inches in length (including tails). I've had this tank since january...was cycled before adding my guys to it. All fish have been treated with prazi, a while back I had an inch outbreak and was treated with API super ich treatment. Now there are no sick fish, no bloody fins, no fungus, no odd behaviors, no parasites...nothing weird or odd at all. No one else has had any problems at all. As I stated previously Gill has had seizures for about a year and a half...As far as I've noticed anyway, I'm not really sure if he had them before I noticed or if they just kind of came randomly

Would you be able to copy and paste the actual form and fill it out please? :) it is much more organized that way.

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What we really need, to properly evaluate, is the D&D form filled out, and a video of the "seizure". I do hope that your little guy feels better soon; he's quite lovely. :)

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I have been searching for any disease that might have seizures as a symptom, without much luck. In all probability, it is the fishy equivalent of epilepsy.

The one thing you can do, as DieselPlower suggested above, is move the fish to an empty tank -- no substrate, no ornaments. A ten gallon will be fine, just do large daily water changes if you don't have a cycled filter to use. Then put a notebook by the tank and record when you observe seizures and anything that might have happened just before -- feeding, noise, light changes, water change, whatever. The goal is to find anything that might be triggering the seizures. Since sudden light changes are a frequent trigger for seizures, find a way to shade the top and sides of the tank (maybe a large towel), leaving the front uncovered to keep a fairly constant low light level.

The hiding behavior may be from fear, but hiding is a common response to feeling ill, particularly from parasites. Let's do a treatment with prazi and salt. I don't think parasites are causing the seizures, but they could be making it worse.

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I might be completely wrong but if the seizures are getting more severe then isn't there a chance of a growing brain tumour or a parasite that affects the brain? Just a thought.

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