Gumshoe is sick and sad :(

[jmetzger72 6,976]

You can treat the whole tank, but the antibiotics will harm the cycle. Seachem Kanaplex is good or you can use Tri-Sulpha or Erythromycin.

Edited September 2, 2014 by jmetzger72

[Linzi Glitter 106]

Yes, I do

Could you please link me to the Prazi Schedules, I can't seem to find them

A. SEVEN DAY ROUNDS

Day 1: Big WC (>50%), add Prazi. Make sure salt is at the appropriate concentration. This is the beginning of Round 1.

Day 2: Add another dose of Prazi. We routinely double dose with Prazi for the first round in this protocol.

Day 5: Big WC (>50%), replace salt, but do not add Prazi. This is the end of Round 1.

Day 8: Big WC (>50%), replace salt, and add Prazi. This is the start of Round 2.

Day 12: Big WC (>50%), replace salt, but do not add Prazi. This is the end of Round 2.

Day 15: Big WC (>50%), replace salt, and add Prazi. This is the start of Round 3.

Day 19: Big WC (>50%), replace salt, but do not add Prazi. This is the end of Round 3.

Day 22: Big WC (>50%), replace salt, and add Prazi. This is the start of Round 4.

Day 26: Big WC (>50%), replace salt, but do not add Prazi. This is the end of Round 4.

Day 29: Big WC (>50%), replace salt, and add Prazi. This is the start of Round 5.

Day 33: Big WC (>50%), replace salt, but do not add Prazi. This is the end of Round 5.

Day 36: Big WC (>50%), replace salt, and add Prazi. This is the start of Round 6.

Day 40: Big WC (>50%), replace salt, but do not add Prazi. This is the end of Round 6.

Thank you!

[Linzi Glitter 106]

You can treat the whole tank, but the antibiotics will harm the cycle. Seachem Kanaplex is good or you can use Tri-Sulpha or Erythromycin.

So I should be treating with antibiotics as well as Prazi, at the same time? Is this for something you suspect is wrong with Gummy or for Lipstick's bacterial cysts?

As for the cycle, I'm not too fussed. I have one large and two small goldfish in 450 litres (118 gallons) of water, so fish-in cycling will be very easy to control if need be.

I should have mentioned, before I started the Prazi i put all the fish in the QT, thoroughly scrubbed the entire tank, did a 100% WC and flushed out the tank before refilling, pulled out the gravel, disinfected all fake plants and river stones, disinfected the filter and thoroughly rinsed all filter media. I also fixed the rust issue once and for all.

So that can only be good for them!

[jmetzger72 6,976]

I would probably do the antibiotics because of the bottom sitting and the bacterial cysts. The Metro plus a broad spectrum antibiotic should fix both issues.

[Linzi Glitter 106]

I would probably do the antibiotics because of the bottom sitting and the bacterial cysts. The Metro plus a broad spectrum antibiotic should fix both issues.

Ok thank you, will get on to it asap

[Linzi Glitter 106]

I've treated with Metro and Tri Sulpha (salt still at 0.3%) as advised and now have all three fish camped out on the bottom of the tank, with only gills moving. I hope this works. Looks bad.

[Dalya-and-her-Goldies 175]

I am sorry your fish aren't doing well. Best of recovery wishes.

[Linzi Glitter 106]

I would probably do the antibiotics because of the bottom sitting and the bacterial cysts. The Metro plus a broad spectrum antibiotic should fix both issues.

What kind of side effects should I be expecting?

[jmetzger72 6,976]

If you are using the Metro and and Tri-Sulpha, you don't need the salt. I would remove it with your next water change. Bottom sitting is fairly common with Prazi treatment. This can often indicate an internal infection resulting from the dying flukes. Keep a close eye on you water parameters as the Tri-Sulpha will harm the cycle.

[jmetzger72 6,976]

I wish you could get Metro Meds because medicated food works better than water borne antibiotics.

[Linzi Glitter 106]

If you are using the Metro and and Tri-Sulpha, you don't need the salt. I would remove it with your next water change. Bottom sitting is fairly common with Prazi treatment. This can often indicate an internal infection resulting from the dying flukes. Keep a close eye on you water parameters as the Tri-Sulpha will harm the cycle.

They seem to be getting worse not better. A lot of bottom sitting, very weird movement from Gummy (it seems like she has lost wiggle mobility through her body), and long white stringy poop - like a long fien cotton thread. Panda has developed white patches on her fins, which look a bit ich like, but will post pics and vids later this evening.

I will remove the salt with my water change today.

[Linzi Glitter 106]

I wish you could get Metro Meds because medicated food works better than water borne antibiotics.

I have made my own Metro Meds using Helen's reciepe of Repashi and powdered Metro. So I am using both medicated food and waterborne anti-biotics. I thought this is what you suggested?

[Linzi Glitter 106]

I'm not sure Panda and Gummy are eating. Something weird is going on with their mouths. They are opening and closing them wider and more frequently than usual. And when they go to eat, they seem to be blowing the food away rather than sucking it in.

[jmetzger72 6,976]

If you are using the Metro and and Tri-Sulpha, you don't need the salt. I would remove it with your next water change. Bottom sitting is fairly common with Prazi treatment. This can often indicate an internal infection resulting from the dying flukes. Keep a close eye on you water parameters as the Tri-Sulpha will harm the cycle.

They seem to be getting worse not better. A lot of bottom sitting, very weird movement from Gummy (it seems like she has lost wiggle mobility through her body), and long white stringy poop - like a long fien cotton thread. Panda has developed white patches on her fins, which look a bit ich like, but will post pics and vids later this evening.

I will remove the salt with my water change today.

Yes, the salt is overkill. Let's get it out ASAP. Can you post a detailed account of the Metro and Tri-Sulpha treatment that you have administered as well as the current level of salt and dosage and type of Prazi?

[jmetzger72 6,976]

I wish you could get Metro Meds because medicated food works better than water borne antibiotics.

I have made my own Metro Meds using Helen's reciepe of Repashi and powdered Metro. So I am using both medicated food and waterborne anti-biotics. I thought this is what you suggested?

No, I just meant waterborne Metro and Tri-Sulpha. I don't know Helen's recipe.

[Linzi Glitter 106]

If you are using the Metro and and Tri-Sulpha, you don't need the salt. I would remove it with your next water change. Bottom sitting is fairly common with Prazi treatment. This can often indicate an internal infection resulting from the dying flukes. Keep a close eye on you water parameters as the Tri-Sulpha will harm the cycle.

They seem to be getting worse not better. A lot of bottom sitting, very weird movement from Gummy (it seems like she has lost wiggle mobility through her body), and long white stringy poop - like a long fien cotton thread. Panda has developed white patches on her fins, which look a bit ich like, but will post pics and vids later this evening.

I will remove the salt with my water change today.

Yes, the salt is overkill. Let's get it out ASAP. Can you post a detailed account of the Metro and Tri-Sulpha treatment that you have administered as well as the current level of salt and dosage and type of Prazi?

I did a 50% water change on Friay (Day 12 of the Prazi Schedule), and did not replace salt or prazi. That means salt is now at 0.15%.

I have been double dosing Prazi Pro.

In the absence of instructions from you, I followed the instructions on the bottle of Blue Planet Tri Sulpha. I administered one dose on the 4th of September and a second does three days later. With all the water changes for the prazi schedule, it is probably gone from the water now.

Helen's Metro recipe is 500mg of finely crushed Metronidazole in 50grams of wet food (Repashi), and I have been feeding 1% of their body weight per day spread across 2 - 3 small feedings.

[Linzi Glitter 106]

Will hopefully get a video up today, but unfortunately I have lots of commitments I can't reschedule.

[4prettyfish 2,702]

I'm coming in late and just read your thread. I'm sorry for your past losses and so sorry for having sick fish now. I hope they get to feeling better soon. Like you mentioned in a previous page of yours, It's never easy having sick fish. Hang in there. Your helping them.

[Linzi Glitter 106]

I wish you could get Metro Meds because medicated food works better than water borne antibiotics.

I have made my own Metro Meds using Helen's reciepe of Repashi and powdered Metro. So I am using both medicated food and waterborne anti-biotics. I thought this is what you suggested?

No, I just meant waterborne Metro and Tri-Sulpha. I don't know Helen's recipe.

I woke up to find Panda dead this morning. Very upset as I have had this fish for nearly two years.

If you could please clarify your treatment plan ASAP that would be appreciated.

[jmetzger72 6,976]

I wish you could get Metro Meds because medicated food works better than water borne antibiotics.

I have made my own Metro Meds using Helen's reciepe of Repashi and powdered Metro. So I am using both medicated food and waterborne anti-biotics. I thought this is what you suggested?

No, I just meant waterborne Metro and Tri-Sulpha. I don't know Helen's recipe.

I woke up to find Panda dead this morning. Very upset as I have had this fish for nearly two years.

If you could please clarify your treatment plan ASAP that would be appreciated.

I am really sorry to hear that your fish died. We generally recommend pairing Metronidazole powder plus another Broad Spectrum antibiotic to cover all types of bacterial infections. This is basically what is in Metro Meds food. I am not familiar with the food recipe that you are using and therefore can't speak to it's effectiveness. When I use powdered Metronidazole, I usually add 200mg per 10 gallons of water every other day per the package directions and I just add it to the water.

It appears from the symptoms you mentioned, that your fish had Flukes and developed secondary bacterial infections as a result. The Prazi should kill the Flukes and the Metro and Tri-Sulpha should help with the bacterial infections. But, it is very important the the level of antibiotics in the system is consistent to ensure their effectiveness.

How is the other fish doing?

[Linzi Glitter 106]

I wish you could get Metro Meds because medicated food works better than water borne antibiotics.

I have made my own Metro Meds using Helen's reciepe of Repashi and powdered Metro. So I am using both medicated food and waterborne anti-biotics. I thought this is what you suggested?

No, I just meant waterborne Metro and Tri-Sulpha. I don't know Helen's recipe.

I woke up to find Panda dead this morning. Very upset as I have had this fish for nearly two years.

If you could please clarify your treatment plan ASAP that would be appreciated.

I am really sorry to hear that your fish died. We generally recommend pairing Metronidazole powder plus another Broad Spectrum antibiotic to cover all types of bacterial infections. This is basically what is in Metro Meds food. I am not familiar with the food recipe that you are using and therefore can't speak to it's effectiveness. When I use powdered Metronidazole, I usually add 200mg per 10 gallons of water every other day per the package directions and I just add it to the water.

It appears from the symptoms you mentioned, that your fish had Flukes and developed secondary bacterial infections as a result. The Prazi should kill the Flukes and the Metro and Tri-Sulpha should help with the bacterial infections. But, it is very important the the level of antibiotics in the system is consistent to ensure their effectiveness.

How is the other fish doing?

Should I add Metro powder and Tri Sulpha into the water now then? How long should it stay in there at a constant concentration?

And stop feeding the medicated food?

As for the other fish, Gumshoe looks far worse than Panda did when I went to bed last night, and Lipstick is slightly better - at least swimming around.

[Linzi Glitter 106]

I wish you could get Metro Meds because medicated food works better than water borne antibiotics.

I have made my own Metro Meds using Helen's reciepe of Repashi and powdered Metro. So I am using both medicated food and waterborne anti-biotics. I thought this is what you suggested?

No, I just meant waterborne Metro and Tri-Sulpha. I don't know Helen's recipe.

I woke up to find Panda dead this morning. Very upset as I have had this fish for nearly two years.

If you could please clarify your treatment plan ASAP that would be appreciated.

I am really sorry to hear that your fish died. We generally recommend pairing Metronidazole powder plus another Broad Spectrum antibiotic to cover all types of bacterial infections. This is basically what is in Metro Meds food. I am not familiar with the food recipe that you are using and therefore can't speak to it's effectiveness. When I use powdered Metronidazole, I usually add 200mg per 10 gallons of water every other day per the package directions and I just add it to the water.

It appears from the symptoms you mentioned, that your fish had Flukes and developed secondary bacterial infections as a result. The Prazi should kill the Flukes and the Metro and Tri-Sulpha should help with the bacterial infections. But, it is very important the the level of antibiotics in the system is consistent to ensure their effectiveness.

How is the other fish doing?

So I need to add metro into the tank water every second day, and Prazi once per week as per the Prazi Schedule. How often should I be adding the Tri Sulpha? Just replacing with every water change or more frequently??

[jmetzger72 6,976]

As I said, I don't have experience with the food you are using. If you don't feel like it is helping, you could try just adding 200 mg of disolved metro powder for every 10 gallons of water. I would follow the dosing directions on the Tri Sulpha package, but you have to replace when you do water changes. The best way to keep the concentration correct is to do a 100% water change every other day and replace the total dosage of medicine with the new water. You can Prime the tank on the days in between to nuetralize the ammonia and nitrite.

[jmetzger72 6,976]

Remember to replace the Prazi with any water changes you perform on days 1-4 of each Prazi round. This is usually on day 3.

[Linzi Glitter 106]

I'm coming in late and just read your thread. I'm sorry for your past losses and so sorry for having sick fish now. I hope they get to feeling better soon. Like you mentioned in a previous page of yours, It's never easy having sick fish. Hang in there. Your helping them.

Thank you. I'm trying. Apprarently doing the wrong thing though, and that mistake could well have cost Panda her life