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I know it seems a bit soon, but...

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So it's only just over a week since I lost my lovely Mario, but my big beautiful tank has been sitting empty and I have been miserable about the whole horrible situation all week... what I could have done differently, if only I had antibiotics available straight away, if I only I hadn't gone away that weekend, etc. etc. My boyfriend finally managed to coax me out of my misery hole to go and look at some goldfish shops at the weekend.

So we went to our usual places, we even did the hour drive to the place where we got Mario from, but every fish I looked at I compared to him, and so obviously none of them were good enough.

But then Baz saw a bronze oranda that he liked, so we went for it. There's no time like the present I suppose. I said to myself that the next fish we get will be a pair, I almost felt bad for Mario spending all that time as a solo fishy. So I picked out the cutest calico ranchu, about the same size as the oranda.

So there we have it, an oranda and a ranchu, I'm not naming them yet or posting pictures until they get through their qt (sorry for being mysterious, I just don't want to get too attached just yet).

They're in an 80l quarantine tub (I think that's about 20 US gallons?), with the same filter, heater and air curtain I used for Mario's qt (all cleaned and new sponges in filter of course). It was all set up and ready to go before I went fish 'browsing', who was I kidding thinking I was going to come home empty handed?!

Here's my thing though - it's uncycled (hence new filter sponges) - I initially used some mature filter sponge from the big canister filter from the main tank, but no matter how much I 'gently rinsed it' in old tank water, it was still dirty looking and throwing bits of gunk into the lovely clean qt tank. So I emptied it all out and decided to go uncycled and be a slave to the bucket for the next few weeks.

So my qt plan is to salt for the first week, then start de-worming treatment next week.

I got them home yesterday (Sunday) afternoon, and let them into their lovely big clean qt tub after a couple of hours acclimatising. I fed them little and often yesterday, which they ate ravenously, and had a towel over the tub to let them destress.

This morning I did as big a water change as possible, then salted to 0.1%. This evening I will raise it to 0.2%, then finally to 0.3% tomorrow morning. It's going to be a faff adding back salt with all the water changes, but needs must.

I plan to start worming treatment next week - I've ordered two worming products, as I wasn't sure which would be best (both ordered online as anthelmintics aren't available over the counter here).

So here is where I need the most advice, I initially ordered some Kusuri Wormer Plus, as that was what I saw was recommended on an article on here. Then I found an eBay shop that ships to the UK, so ordered some PraziPro as well.

So now I've got the choice of using either a flubendazole or praziquantel based product, does anyone have any advice on which I should use? And whichever one I do use can I continue with the salt treatment or should I stop that? Or just lower it to 0.1%?

Also, I would really like to add some carbon to the filter to help prevent ammonia creeping up between wc's (I'm doing almost 100% everyday), can I do that with salt? I'm assuming I'll have to remove it when I start anthelmintic treatment though.

Both fish look active and healthy but I don't really trust the source they came from - the oranda was from a very overstocked display tank, and the guy didn't seem that knowledgable, I had to catch the oranda myself as he wasn't keen on catching it with his hands and I don't like them thrashing around in a net. Anyway, I must be a sucker for punishment, lets hope I don't have too many problems...

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Thoughts and advice very welcome as always :)

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Good luck Kate. It's only to soon if you think it's too soon. You have a beautiful tank and you seem to care for fish too much to leave it empty. Good luck with your new ones! I hope it all goes smoothly for you and them.

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Congratulations on your new babies! I agree with HomerJay, it's only too soon if you don't feel ready. If I was in your position, I would probably do the same thing.

Good luck with qt!

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Congrats on the new guys! May your QT be very quiet. :)

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Sorry for the loss of Mario. Congratulations on the new Goldfish.

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I'm so sorry for the loss of your dear Mario, Kate. Everyone grieves differently. If you feel a little better now that you are occupying yourself with new fish, then there is nothing wrong with that. :hug They are in wonderful hands now and I'm sure they are lucky to have a caring fishy mommy like you. :heart

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So sorry to hear about Mario! :bye2:

Good luck with your new guys/girls.

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Best of luck with your new fish. I think it was a good idea: better than staring at an empty tank, for sure. They won't replace Mario, they'll be their own selves. And you'll be there to care for them and enjoy them. Bring on the photos!

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Thank you for your kind words everyone :) I'm doing everything strictly by the book and am watching them like hawks so hopefully they should make it through their qt.

I've noticed quite a bit of white poo, don't know which fish it's from, there's also a lot of normal poo so I don't think it's both of them. Should I be worried?

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And I found some little teethies today!!

Any thoughts on the white poo anyone?

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I have heard one thing, that white poo can be stress related, but I am not qualified to give any real advice yet. Hope all goes well

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I have heard one thing, that white poo can be stress related, but I am not qualified to give any real advice yet. Hope all goes well

Thanks for the advice :) yes I thought that too, they're very active and greedy so I'm not overly worried. But I would like a mod's thoughts on it just to put my mind at rest.

I think it's the oranda as I've seen the ranchu do normal poos, although they are quite slimy/mucousy. But they're a normal colour.

Any thoughts/advice very welcome!

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It is good that you are making such detailed observations.

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I'm very sorry to hear about Mario. He was such a cute fish! Have you posted photos of the new guys yet?

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I'm very sorry to hear about Mario. He was such a cute fish! Have you posted photos of the new guys yet?

Thank you, he definitely was, he's truly irreplaceable :(

No I've not posted any pics yet, I didn't want to get too attached until I knew they were healthy and had got through their qt.

Having said that, it's very hard to not become attached, they're such cuties! I have taken a video but it doesn't do them justice tbh, as my qt 'tank' is a storage tub you can't see them very clearly on camera. I'll post it when I manage to upload it anyway though :)

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Sneak peek at the new guys...

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So I've just found the longest poo in the qt tub I have ever seen in my life. No idea which fish it is from. You can't appreciate the full length of it from the pics, it was at least 5 times the length of the fish.

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As you can see from the pics some of it is white, some of it is orange like the pellets I'm feeding at the moment, and then some of it has grainy grey coloured bits in it.

What do you guys make of this?? Surely this can't be normal?!

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Beautiful fish! I love them both!!

No ideas on the poop. The only times I've seen super long poops is from over feeding, but nothing like that!

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Beautiful fish! I love them both!!

No ideas on the poop. The only times I've seen super long poops is from over feeding, but nothing like that!

Thank you :) I'm in love already! It's impossible not to become attached!

Does anyone else have any thoughts on the freakishly long poo? And the white poo? Shall I just start a D&D thread instead??

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Since no-one has replied I'm going to assume I'm worrying about nothing

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What have you been feeding?

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Tetra Goldfish 'Gold Japan' sinking pellets, and they've had a few peas as well. I've just received my repashy soilent green order so I'll be making that up today :)

Have you seen anything like that poop before Koko? It was really quite impressive!! :o

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Tetra Goldfish 'Gold Japan' sinking pellets, and they've had a few peas as well. I've just received my repashy soilent green order so I'll be making that up today :)

Have you seen anything like that poop before Koko? It was really quite impressive!! :o

yeah in fish that have had a bad diet.... Lets keep an eye out and feed good healthy stuff hun :) Keep me posted. :)

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Tetra Goldfish 'Gold Japan' sinking pellets, and they've had a few peas as well. I've just received my repashy soilent green order so I'll be making that up today :)

Have you seen anything like that poop before Koko? It was really quite impressive!! :o

yeah in fish that have had a bad diet.... Lets keep an eye out and feed good healthy stuff hun :) Keep me posted. :)

Will do, thanks for the advice Koko :)

I'm thinking of moving them into the main tank in a couple of days and doing their worming treatment in there, as its empty anyway so its not like I'll be mixing them with other fish, and the twice daily wc's with the uncycled qt tub are killing me. Do you think that's wise? I'm going to be using the Kusuri Wormer Plus (flubendazole). They will have been at 0.3% salt in the qt a week on Tuesday.

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