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Hello everyone! I'm new, but I lurk on this forum all the time, I've gotten so much information regarding my fishies.

I usually don't impulse buy, and especially not from the local Petco but I couldn't help it this time. There was a 5-6 inch common Goldie in a tank with a school of green tiger barbs (ridiculous right?) who had taken a liking to picking on him. I saw him a couple weeks prior to buying him and his tail was bit up, but i asked them to move him and it healed up. The other day I went back to pick up the co2 cartridge for my other tank and noticed one of his gils were inflamed. He is still active and swimming normally and has a very good appetite. After talking to the rep at Petco I learned that he was "donated" and only cost $2 to adopt, so I picked him up to eventually go in our 270 gal pond. He's currently in a 10 gal quarantine tank with prime and the water is changed every other day, there is no filter. usyne4aj.jpgvada8ysu.jpg I was wondering if anyone can identify what's going on with his Gil. It's only one, and it looks inflamed but I don't see anything "on" it. I picked up tetra lifeguard which I am supposed to treat him for 5 days, today is the second day. Has anyone had luck w this medicine? I picked it up because it's for Gil disease and flukes among other things. Anything else I can do to make him better? When he is better, how long should I wait to put him in the pond? There are 4 other fish in there now. Any suggestions or insight would be helpful. Thanks so much!

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I agree with Susanne.

As for the lifeguard, I use to use it. I like it. I, however know now there are more natural ways to treat things like this. I don't think the lifeguard will do much for this, but a mod will be by shortly. :)

Could you also fill out the chat above please? That would greatly help :)

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I thought it might be an injury, but I'm not sure since I've never dealt with anything quite like this.

Mikey, I don't see the chart unfortunately. This tapatalk ap I'm using is seriously lacking on certain things.

Thanks everyone for the replies. I hope a mod can see this soon ;)

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http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/116133-help-request-check-list/

This is the chart that we would like filled out. Please do so that we can make sure everything is 100%. It looks like a physical injury to me as well. Maybe it was either caught on something or the barbs had already begun to try and eat away at it. Either way, I wish the best for you and your little one. A Mod should be around as soon as that chart is done.

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For the test results I'm going to go with the tap water findings since It is not a set up tank, but a quarantine tank with no filter, just an airstone. I just did a full wc. It is temporary.

Test Results for the Following:* Ammonia Level:

Nitrite Level(Tank)*

Nitrate level(Tank)*

Ammonia Level(Tap)* 0

Nitrite Level(Tap)* 0

Nitrate level(Tap)* 5.0

Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)* 7.6

Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) ph is 7.6 I'm not sure how to test the other stuff.

Other Required Info:*

Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?* API master test kit drops

Water temperature?* 70f

Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?* 10 gal quarantine, just set up the other day.

What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?* none

How often do you change the water and how much?daily full wc

* * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?

Today, all of it

* * How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 and 5-6"

* * What kind of water additives or conditioners?prime

* * What do you feed your fish and how often? Currently tetra pond pellets, twice a day

* * Any new fish added to the tank?just this one

* * Any medications added to the tank?tetra lifeguard, started yesterday

* * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.: not exactly sure, no prior history known

* * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? One Gil looks inflamed.

* * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?nope, he's swimming around. Maybe a little labored breathing.

Sorry I couldn't answer that better. I really hope this helps though.

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Judging from the pictures, it looks to me like a physical injury. I am no expert like a lot of the people on these boards, but I would just make sure he has clean water until you see if it develops into anything, or until you hear from a mod. Good luck!!

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The Mods will chime in with treatment suggestions. It looks sort of like a physical injury. Is that your impression?

I agree with Susanne.

As for the lifeguard, I use to use it. I like it. I, however know now there are more natural ways to treat things like this. I don't think the lifeguard will do much for this, but a mod will be by shortly. :)

Could you also fill out the chat above please? That would greatly help :)

http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/116133-help-request-check-list/

This is the chart that we would like filled out. Please do so that we can make sure everything is 100%. It looks like a physical injury to me as well. Maybe it was either caught on something or the barbs had already begun to try and eat away at it. Either way, I wish the best for you and your little one. A Mod should be around as soon as that chart is done.

ps -- chelsea, mikey and susanne… oh, also rob and lisa! ...would it help for this thread to be in D&D?

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It looks to be either an injury or perhaps that's the way this fish developed.

Since he is new to you, I would suggest our regular salt and prazi routine. Do you have PraziPro or can you get some? You will not find it at the big chain stores but many locally owned pet stores will carry it.

Perhaps for the first week or two, you could simply salt the tank to 0.3% and see how he behaves and if anything changes with his gill.

I am going to move this to the D&D section. :D

And welcome to Koko's.

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Thanks for the reply fantail. I thought I out it in d&d but maybe tapatalk mislead me. I'm starting to get the idea that this ap is a pain in the rear more than anything haha. Anyhow, I doubt any local stores have prazi but I will check tomorrow. We don't have any really good fish stores in my area, it's mostly Petco or Petsmart, so kind of slim pickins. Anyhow, thanks again everyone for the replies, I feel better knowing that this is possibly an injury rather than something more harmful!

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hi goldielover, just a note to say that you can find prazi pro on amazon too, -- and that may be easier for you, depending on where you live, etc. (that's how i always get mine!) :D

i'm not saying that you are going to need it right away, but it's a med that's excellent to always have on hand, just in case. :)

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ps: goldielover, let us know how things are going, i think you said you were treating with tetra life guard when you started the thread, right?

thanks! :)

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Yes melusine, I have been treating with lifeguard and it actually looks a lot better than when I brought him home. His breathing isn't as labored either. I looked for prazi today but wasn't able to find it :(

Just one quick question to the mods, since the lifeguard treatment has had a positive effect, would you suggest I continue treatment with that and then maybe a salt treatment after a week of rest? So far the only medication I have found locally is the lifeguard, I can't order prazi at the moment but I will definitely order some when I can, just to have it on hand.

If it is not suggested, is there any other treatments that could be recommended? Thanks again everyone for the help.

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Will you take a look at the actual gills (not the plates) and see if they are good red/pink color, and well-organized without swelling or anything? Thanks, and welcome to the forum! :)

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Hey dnalex, thank you for the welcome, I'm glad to join the community :)

So I just checked the gils, they are def a good red/pink color with no inflammation what so ever. He looks healthy, isn't flashing or rubbing against anything and his appetite has grown since I got him. He's swimming around with no issues. It doesn't appear to be bothering him in the least. I wanted to snap another picture up close of his actual gil but it's hard to do one handed and I'm afraid to hurt him. I can try tomorrow to get an up close picture if that will help you guys decide the course of action.

I really hope I can move him to the pond sooner than later, something about a goldfish in a ten gal really irks me haha.

Any other suggestions?

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I had to check the gills last night on my sick fish. Google "goldfish gill examination" and a YouTube video will come up by ChelseaM, who is one of our members. I was able to get some good pics by following her advice, and it doesn't hurt the fish in the least.

With regard to the PraziPro, a local shop ordered it for me and charged me $20. They used to carry it but stopped because no one ever bought any. I found out later I could have bought it online for $5. Oh well ...

Welcome to the forum, and I hope he gets better soon! I have the same issues with the checklist not showing on Tapatalk; I always have to copy and paste it from another post.

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