Regular Member dnalex Posted March 10, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 10, 2014 Ok...they are being guarded about the ingredients, but here was the response to my question this morning. me~ Thank you for keeping in touch Rebecca. My friends on Koko's goldfish forum are wondering what is in the pro-treat, as it appears that it is not an antibiotic? They are concerned that I am wasting valuable time, and should be treating with something else. Their reply~ Hi Carole, I can assure you that pro treat is an antibiotic that is proven to work. It was developed by mag noy in Israel 18 years ago. We introduced it back in 1999. We currently have many koi judges and KHa using the product and swearing by it. Rebecca You see that she just contradicted the actual company blurb on it, right? I understand about proprietary products, and I am all for it. You can give people a clue, without actually hurting your profit margin. Anyway, as I said, I am just always very wary of people who claim a lot, but don't have much to show for it. In the end, what matters is the fish, and I am hope that it works spectacularly on Van, without any future repercussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member waterfaller1 Posted March 10, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 10, 2014 Here are some pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted March 10, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 10, 2014 Shine a light inside the hole, please, and see if it's healing in there, or if there is an infected core that is not responding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member melusine Posted March 10, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 10, 2014 she is such a cutie! i'm sending good wishes for her full recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member waterfaller1 Posted March 10, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 10, 2014 Ok..will do Alex. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member DawnMichele Posted March 10, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 10, 2014 Hope she feels better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member LisaCGold Posted March 11, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 11, 2014 So sorry, Carole. Vanessa, rest well and get better soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporter amoonklein Posted March 11, 2014 Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2014 Poor Van! You're doing a great job, Carole. Sending best wishes for a speedy recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member waterfaller1 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 I am giving up. If anything it looks worse,bigger. I am sorry Van..Any more suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted March 18, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 I am giving up. If anything it looks worse,bigger. I am sorry Van..Any more suggestions? The original suggestion...oxolinic acid, although I will have to say that by this point, the infection is probably very deeply rooted, and not easy to eradicate. I'm so sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin koko Posted March 18, 2014 Admin Share Posted March 18, 2014 if your going to give up why not try silver?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member waterfaller1 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 I am not giving up! I am just completely frustrated. What do you mean silver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member waterfaller1 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 I am in contact with a vet, that may be willing to do a biopsy. He is looking at the pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted March 18, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 I am in contact with a vet, that may be willing to do a biopsy. He is looking at the pics. That would be a great thing, Carole, if you can get a vet to biopsy. However, if he's not a specialized aquatic (koi) vet, he may be less help than he could be. What Koko means is silver colloidal particles. It is often used as an alternative therapy, since it is thought to have antimicrobial activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member waterfaller1 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 He says it was actually his specialty, that and amphibians. This is the vet I originally tried to contact. He apologized profusely when he got on the phone. His kids were very sick when he received my original e-mail. How do you do this treatment with silver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted March 18, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 How do you do this treatment with silver? Koko will answer you, since I have no experience with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin koko Posted March 18, 2014 Admin Share Posted March 18, 2014 OK you need to order http://www.amazon.com/Amino-Acid-Botanical-Su-Colloidal/dp/B0057ZH5NS/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1395167149&sr=1-1&keywords=colloidal+silver Then if you have a qt tank what ever the gallons is one drop per gallon of Silver.....Let it set for 24 hours then do a full water change and add the silver back in doing this for 5 days..... Then I would also like you to do 2 drops in the hole every day for 2 days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member waterfaller1 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 What are the risks? What I mean is why did you say "if you are going to give up...." ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted March 18, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 What are the risks? What I mean is why did you say "if you are going to give up...." ?? Koko just means that it's not standard/conventional treatment, that's all. As far as I am aware, there is no risk, in terms of safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member waterfaller1 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 Hey I am all for let's try anything at this point. I changed out his water 100% and just added back salt for now. Is the salt going to be ok, or does it need to be plain water? I added three tspns per gallon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member waterfaller1 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 Ok ordered it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted March 18, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 Hey I am all for let's try anything at this point. I changed out his water 100% and just added back salt for now. Is the salt going to be ok, or does it need to be plain water? I added three tspns per gallon. The salt doesn't hurt, but I am not sure that it has any beneficial effects at this point. You could just leave it, and then dilute it out with subsequent WCs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member waterfaller1 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2014 Thanks Alex and Koko~hugs {I am in tears here} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin koko Posted March 18, 2014 Admin Share Posted March 18, 2014 What are the risks? What I mean is why did you say "if you are going to give up...." ?? Koko just means that it's not standard/conventional treatment, that's all. As far as I am aware, there is no risk, in terms of safety. Hey I am all for let's try anything at this point. I changed out his water 100% and just added back salt for now. Is the salt going to be ok, or does it need to be plain water? I added three tspns per gallon. I have even used salt with the Silver no ill effects. hun... used it many times now... Charlie and Sunkist are still with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin koko Posted March 20, 2014 Admin Share Posted March 20, 2014 How is the fish and is it there yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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