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Hey, I'm just looking to see if something looks wrong here. My oranda is HUGE and seems to be a little too big. His skin looks almost stretched to the limit.

Here's some pics:C360_2013-09-13-20-47-30-654_zps52c6bf43

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Thanks for the help! I just want to know if this needs to be treated or not.

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  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

please fill out the form the best you can. It is crucial to the mod team that you do. It doesn't look like pineconing, but I think something definitely is wrong. Would you be able to take your oranda and put him in a container to get some shots from above?



And is your oranda a confirmed male?

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I have no idea if it's a male or female. I'll have to fill out the form later, I just moved and I don't have my test kit handy.

  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
    • * Nitrate level(Tank)
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
    • * Nitrate level(Tap)
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
      • * Water temperature?
      • 70
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
      • 110 gallons (the tank itself is 55 gallons but it's connected to another tank and a sump, in all there's 110 gallons of water flowing through the system)
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
      • 30 gallon sump
      • * How often do you change the water and how much?
      • I usually just do top offs and I haven't had a problem yet.
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
  • It's been about a month.
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • 5 goldfish (medium size), 3 african clawed frogs (in the other tank, full grown), 3 cory's (small) and 2 clown loaches (small)
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • Seachem Prime
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • Fed once a day, New Life Spectrum, large fish formula, Omega one goldfish pellets, omega one algae wafers
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • No, not for months.
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • No, never had a sick fish.
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • Belly looks abnormally huge.
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?
  • A few weeks ago, my wife woke me up saying he was swimming upside down. He was completely upside down but by next morning he was fine;

Thanks! I'll try and get some water params in asap.

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there does seem to be an unusual swelling to this fish and to me, it looks like a female. do you notice any chasing happening in the tank?

also, how much do you feed each time?

there are a few corrections required with your routine in order to provide what we understand here, a healthier environment for them. for example, each week, we change about 60-70% of their water in order to keep their environment as clean as possible. goldfish are really messy fish. during this time, we really vacuum the gravel like crazy to eliminate any possible trapped food causing nasty bacteria that could affect the health of your fish.

to me, this is not pineconing.. either your fish is heavily constipated or carrying eggs. going by the size of the poop it's releasing I think there is some overfeeding happening. the poop would look sorta different if she were holding eggs, however, she might not be ready for spawning.

please answer the following questions, they are a really important indicator to us, should anything other than what I mentioned above is wrong.

  • * Ammonia Level(Tank)
  • * Nitrite Level(Tank)
  • * Nitrate level(Tank)
  • * Ammonia Level(Tap)
  • * Nitrite Level(Tap)
  • * Nitrate level(Tap)
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

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Could you post a pic look directly and straight down at the fish? That's the best way to assess whether the fish is pineconing.

I think you are trying to ask the question of whether this fish has dropsy by asking about the pineconing. However, it's important to note that dropsy usually presents with pineconing, but doesn't require that particular presentation.

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They're only fed a couple pinches once in the morning. The food never lasts more than a couple minutes. I'll cut that down a bit and see what happens.

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Those Ingot Orandas are really round. From the side, it doesn't look like pineconing. But, as Alex suggested, a top view photo would be helpful.

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Could you post a pic look directly and straight down at the fish? That's the best way to assess whether the fish is pineconing.

I think you are trying to ask the question of whether this fish has dropsy by asking about the pineconing. However, it's important to note that dropsy usually presents with pineconing, but doesn't require that particular presentation.

Yes, this is absolutely what I'm asking. I just saw his scales as stretched as they were and thought it kind o looked like that. I've never had a fish do it before so I wasn't sure.

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Will you post some direct top view pics, please? Thanks.

Also, do you have any idea what your tap water gh and kH are?

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