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Cloudy eye, floatiness, and fins aren't healing.

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Hi guys!

So I finished doing TWO prazi treatments for suspected flukes at Alex's II's suggestion. Did salt baths between each at the recommended dosages. That was 2 weeks ago. The fins still appear saw toothed. Also, Lucy now has cloudy eye. It almost looks like something is growing on the outside of it and it has now moved to both eyes (maybe fuzzy?). She is also very floaty and I did observe some white stringy poop.

Currently, the tank is on day 4 of triple sulfa and they are on day two of being fasted. (I don't have a QT tank except a plastic rubber made type bin).

I will get a video and do the API water test etc now. I read that it could be caused by the PH. We have VERY hard water here, I wonder if it has something to do with the plants I put in and lowering the pH. Well off to the testing!

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That's a shame, Mike!

Awaiting the results, however what is the triple sulfa treatment for? Is this for the eyes/fins?

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Yes Narny, Lucy's eye was a bit red so I suspected an eye infection and so we got the triple sulfa. We have the fungus cure on hand (haven't done it yet because I'm afraid of it killing my plants). I have a box of maracyn two on hand.

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  • Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank) I think it's zero, definitely less than 0.25 (it isn't green at all, but doesn't match the color on the chart). It is yellow tho.
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank): 0
    • * Nitrate level(Tank): < 5.0 ppm
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap) same as above, i think it's zero.
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap): 0
    • * Nitrate level(Tap): 0
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): ph: 8
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): ph: 8
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API drops
      • * Water temperature? 74ish
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 56 gallons. Over a year
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Two Aqueon quiet flow 55/70s.
      • * How often do you change the water and how much? 1-2 times a week. normally at roughly 50%-60%. Lately, it's been 25% daily as directed on the api triple sulfa.
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Today, 25%
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 4 fish. 2 orandas both are between 6 and 7 inches. 1 Cory catfish and a rubberlip pleco that is about 2 inches.
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime.
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Omega one lately, I need to get more repashy.
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? Only the rubberlip about 3-4 months ago.
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

Oh boy, um melafix for a week than stopped. Prazi 2 weeks, two treatments and two salt baths per protocol. finished about two weeks ago. And last four days triple sulfa for eye.

Prior to that. Maracyn 2 i think for koko's popeye and salt baths awhile back. 2 to 3 other treatments with prazi. Medigold for something that I can't remember (a long time ago).

  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • Fins on koko, despite treatments of prazi and melafix. Lucy's fins also apear slightly diminished. A week ago her eye was very red (hence the sulfa) and a small chunk of her tail fin at the bottom corner was gone and was bloody).
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?
  • Lucy hasn't been eating or finding her food as well as she used to. I was worried about it earlier but the thread got moved (the thread was how to tell if your fish is blind) Now she is very floaty. She rights herself up but I'm worried. They both have been fasted for two days now.

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Waiting on my camera battery to charge. There is a vet here in utah that contracts with Salt Lake City's living planet aquarium. S/he said that s/he takes private clients. It would cost a few hundred dollars at least to go this route. I'd rather not because I can't really afford it but I will if I have to.

I also wanted to mention that her mouth appears to not be even. Picture someone who had a stroke and only talks with half their mouth. that kind of thing.

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Okay, i'm off to bed. I'll check this tomorrow. I have the day off so I can run to the store and get whatever is needed.

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Hi Mike,

Sorry your fish is still sick!

Just to help clarify for someone to help you. You mentioned your ph was lowered? Can you elaborate on this? How much was it lowered? Did you lower it?

The parameters above show tap and tank 8.0.

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No it wasn't lowered. I know that CO2 at least in humans is acidic. With the addition of plants, the only change other than the new filters, it might have been possible. I didn't have a means of testing ph until now. It appears that it is just as it always has been. Anyway, if my ph went from 8 (what it is now) to something lower say a 7.4 I'd be shocked and a little impressed as thats a far jump. But no, no ph change has ever been noted.

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I forgot to mention that I was adding the liquid CO2. I don't i know what that ph was during that time other than one reading done at the pet store that said no. Change. I haven't added any while medicating because I don't want a chem reaction that I'm not aware of. But still, I kinda doubt there'd be much of a change if any.

Anyways, thoughts anyone? What should I do?

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I forgot to mention that I was adding the liquid CO2. I don't i know what that ph was during that time other than one reading done at the pet store that said no. Change. I haven't added any while medicating because I don't want a chem reaction that I'm not aware of. But still, I kinda doubt there'd be much of a change if any.

Anyways, thoughts anyone? What should I do?

I don't think you are adding liquid CO2. Are you adding Excel? That's actually glutaradehyde.

I'd like video and some very clear pics, if you could, please.

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I'm having a hard time getting the cloudy eye to show properly in the pictures. Can you not see the eye in the video above? I will try again.

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I'm almost wondering if this is eye-flukes, but without a clearer picture of the affected area, it's really just a guess.

Every symptom that you've shown is very slight. Have you been doing a salt dip prior to each round of prazi? If not, I would do two more that way, AFTER a big rest from the TS.

For now, add in extra WCs. I don't think that anything else needs to be done. Add garlic to their foods, if you haven't already. :)

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A few weeks, unless there is imperative to move faster, such as the eyes getting worse, or fins.

Sure, soak it in garlic, or get NLS Thera-A. :)

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I'm sorry your beautiful Lucy is having problems with her eyes. What does the garlic do? I hope her eyes start to look better and clear up soon.

My newest fish had a torn tail and after I did three weeks of prazi and salt in the qt tank then again another week in main tank with roommates his tail got better. I thought I had seen/read that salt heals torns. ???

I think something is wrong with Lucy's swimming. She glides and drifts instead of swims. Perhaps it because of her eyes and maybe not feeling good. Have you been cking the water param daily since she's been acting this way? With that all said, I'm not too sure what I'd do though.

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I'm sorry your beautiful Lucy is having problems with her eyes. What does the garlic do? I hope her eyes start to look better and clear up soon.

My newest fish had a torn tail and after I did three weeks of prazi and salt in the qt tank then again another week in main tank with roommates his tail got better. I thought I had seen/read that salt heals torns. ???

I think something is wrong with Lucy's swimming. She glides and drifts instead of swims. Perhaps it because of her eyes and maybe not feeling good. Have you been cking the water param daily since she's been acting this way? With that all said, I'm not too sure what I'd do though.

Garlic is extremely palatable,but more so garlic is considered an antineoplastic and immunostimulant

Yes, salt will help the healing process, however that's not accounting for any pathogens either internal or externally causing the fin damage.

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I'm sorry your beautiful Lucy is having problems with her eyes. What does the garlic do? I hope her eyes start to look better and clear up soon.

My newest fish had a torn tail and after I did three weeks of prazi and salt in the qt tank then again another week in main tank with roommates his tail got better. I thought I had seen/read that salt heals torns. ???

I think something is wrong with Lucy's swimming. She glides and drifts instead of swims. Perhaps it because of her eyes and maybe not feeling good. Have you been cking the water param daily since she's been acting this way? With that all said, I'm not too sure what I'd do though.

I definitely can see the cloudy eye too. BTW Cheryl, just wanted to mention thats how my fish float when they are resting late at night, they just kind of hover in place like that so maybe she was just resting?

She is a beautiful fish Mike. Hope the garlic and salt helps her heal up.

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It's been a long week. I just got paid today. I will try to get some supplies tomorrow. I'm working and going to school so my time is very limited. I did as you said, give them a rest and up the water changes. I am afraid to say that I haven't been able to afford the garlic or anything. The white spots in her eye are still there and she's still a little floaty. I wonder if the triple sulfa did a number on their swim bladders. I am still noticing some occasional, I believe the term is flicking? They aren't trying to scratch themselves or anything, but they will just be swimming calmly and then all of the sudden swim very fast for a second. It's weird.

Interestingly today, before I went to work (was running late) Koko was floating upside down! Just hanging out at the top upside down. I was very worried but with this new job, I'm on probation and can't miss or be late once or I will get fired. Anyway, I came home and she's just fine. Maybe she was a little backed up? That's my guess.

Looking forward. I should get salt, garlic, and what else? I'm out of medi gold. If it is flukes, I'm very frustrated as they have gotten like 5 treatments of prazi. Why can't I eradicate them? I think I'm going to get some new food for them. What would you guys recommend? Sorry, I feel very irresponsible right now but I'm doing the best I can :(

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Hang in there. One step at a time. :)

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Alex, lucy won't eat! We've tried hand feeding and nothing - this has been like 3 days now. She is still floaty as heck. The vetinarian that handles fish here is out of town until next week. Ugh - help :(

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Alex, lucy won't eat! We've tried hand feeding and nothing - this has been like 3 days now. She is still floaty as heck. The vetinarian that handles fish here is out of town until next week. Ugh - help :(

What about her poop, Mike?

I think she has developed an internal infection.

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Let's upload a video of her, as well as letting me know what you have on hand in terms of waterborne stuff.

When did she become like this?

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