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  • Hi! I'm new to this forum, my name is Sierra. I'm having a little anchor worm issue and have a few questions if someone would be willing to help me out.
    • * Ammonia Level(Tank): 0ppm
    • * Nitrite Level(Tank): 0ppm
    • * Nitrate level(Tank): 10ppm
    • * Ammonia Level(Tap): 0ppm
    • * Nitrite Level(Tap): 0ppm
    • * Nitrate level(Tap): 0ppm
    • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): 7.2
    • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): 7.0
    • Other Required Info:
      • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API freshwater master test kit (drops)
      • * Water temperature? 72
      • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 55 bowfront, 3 months
      • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? I have 3 filters on it. 2, 20g Marineland Penguin filters and a 55g Aqueon Filter
      • * How often do you change the water and how much? 1x a week, 33-45% of the water.
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 3 days, almost 50%
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 2, a black moor and a calico fantail both around 5 inches
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? API Stress Coat
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Pure Aquatic goldfish flakes, frozen blood worms, freeze dried blood worms and New Life Spectrum goldfish pellets. I feed them a little bit of one of those 2x daily and switch it up every meal/every day and once per week they get a green pea each.
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? YES. Here's a little story; at the beginning of June, I added my first fish after cycling my tank. I cycled my tank with some water from my 20g tropical tank. I've never lost a fish out of that tank, never had any diseases and haven't added a fish to that tank in a long time. So after it was all cycled, I added an oranda and my current calico. I bought him from Petsmart. He came home, had the worst swim bladder disease I've ever seen. I tried everything I could to save him. But one day, 2 days before he passed, he has a massive anchor worm sticking out of his side. This thing was over an inch long and was THICK. So me, in all my panic, grabbed the clove oil, tweezer, hydrogen peroxide and set to work on Clyde's surgery to remove his foreign parasite. Everything went really well, it came out clean, head and everything. It was a LARGE female anchor worm. I flushed her down the toilet, and DOUSED my tank with an entire carton of dissolved API salt. I treated Clyde's wounds and it healed perfectly. He was just too bad with his swim bladder (I think it was a bacteria infection because he was pooping and everything) So he passed away not long after and it was so sad. So Pepper (calico) was all alone for about a week, waiting for the anchor worm infestation to die. I hadn't seen a single on her and the salinity in my tank was about 1.009 for the entire week. So I decided to get her a buddy. A nice big black moor. THE DAY AFTER I ADDED HIM, there were so many anchor worms in the tank I thought for sure the anchor worm apocalypse was happening. Pepper had 6 on her, and Ollie (black moor) had 17. SEVENTEEN. Some were in his tail, some were on his eyes (not the actual eye, but the lid).
  • * Any medications added to the tank? So the things I've tried to use to get rid of them: I've done a formalin dip on both of them (about 2 weeks ago, maybe a week and a half) while keeping their tank at a super high salinity. Then about a week ago I tried Coppersafe, which I read many different things about online, but I decided to try it. That has done nothing either. So now I'm lost.
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. ABOVE.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? ANCHOR WORMS.
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? The sad part is, they aren't even flashing, they aren't acting like its hurting them. A few days ago they were on the bottom for the most part, but now they're swimming around like happy little angels.

SO. These are things I've come up with, HOPING that someone might be able to give me a yes or no on what might sound good or not. Because at this point, I'm at a loss.

I was thinking I could maybe try and pull at some of the ones on Ollie and see if they come out really easily (see if they're dead, just haven't fallen out yet). But I don't even know if that is a good indicator.

Pepper only has ONE left, which is good, but Ollie still has all of his. And I can't pull the majority of his for fear of hurting him worse than he already is. Plus, a fungal infection DOES NOT sound very nice right now.

I was thinking maybe I could do a "Copper Dip" I'm not even sure if thats a thing. I was wondering if any one has ever heard of one? Maybe raising the concentration of the copper in a small area and leaving them in it for only a minute or less. I DON'T KNOW. PANIC.

I could try a salt dip, but with the response I've gotten with salt already, I feel like it would just be too stressful.

I'm willing to take any suggestions.

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Oh dear, that sounds awful :yikes I am sorry you lost your fishy. However, the way you told your story made me burst out laughing :rofl I do not mean to be a jerk laughing at your "anchor worm apocalypse" but I think you should be a comedian! :teehee

I am not a mod and can offer no advice, but I wish you the best with your infestation :goodluck

BTW when was the last time you rinsed your filter media and rinsed the inside of your filter to get the sludge out? :idont

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I prefer to find the best of most situations. So humor is my thing :P And making people laugh is a bonus.

I rinse them on different weeks so that its not too much of a shock (since I have 3) I normally do one, once a week...if that makes sense. AND, I don't really have gravel. I have large pebbles. and I moved them all around when I did my algae scrape (which happens every 2-2 1/2 weeks) thanks for the wishes!

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Do you have any carbon in your filters?

My first suggestion would be to do larger or more frequent water changes, not because your parameters state that you need it, but because fish that are fighting off illness need clean water to heal.

Is there any salt concentration right now?

Can you get any pics of the anchor sites?

I'm sorry this is happening, maybe next time you add a fish, it would be possible to quarantine the fish? That will reduce the spread of infestations significantly. :hug

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Hi. Sorry to hear your having problem's. My Goldies had Anchor Worm a while back and I treated them with Tetra Parasite Guard and it did a great job. Good luck.

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I DO have carbon in my filters. But I've read up on it, and all the products I used said it was fine to leave that in there. So should I remove it?

Salt is at 1.007 (JUST checked it)

I've tried to get pictures of them in their tank but they're too wiggly and all they want to do is eat. I've even tried food to get them to stop moving, it was a no go, they are crazy. I don't want to take them out just for pictures because I don't want to stress them out. But I can explain it to you.

The calico only has one left, and its on his left side, near the back, right along the ridge where his stomach meets his caudal peduncle.

The black one; everywhere. Some in his tail fins. Some are in the lid of his eye. So if this is his eye: O then its on the very top of the O, in the "flesh" not the actual eye. He's got them on his sides, near his vent, on his underside. I feel so bad for this poor fish but he acts like nothing is wrong.

If these two make it, I will NOT be adding anything for a long time. But when I do, I will DEFINITELY set up my 10 qt. Thank you for your responses!

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Hello, yes, I'd like to see pics of the anchor worms, too, if you have them. I have a number of comments. :)

1. Anchor worms incubate a number of weeks/months in the tissue before burrowing out. So, the fact that you had 6 & 17 showing up the day after you brought the moor home is more coincidence than anything. This was a problem made many months before that, long before you entered the scene. You probably bought this fish from the same store, and it's safe to say that (many) other fish in that store now also have anchor worm.

2. Salt doesn't eradicate the anchor worms, and while as crustaceans, they would be susceptible to copper, this medication is more harmful than helpful, as it will wreak havoc on fish kidneys. I'd like for you to look for dimilin, although this is probably not easy to find. The alternative is Cyropro. Both of these are chitin inhibitors, and are suitable when you have such a big infestation. You will have to treat for several weeks, but we can address than when you have the med.

3. The swim bladder issue is probably not a swim bladder issue, but more an issue with food quantity and compatibility. Freeze dried stuff and flakes are notoriously bad for fancy types of goldfish.

4. Stress Coat is more gimmick than it's worth. I'd recommend Seachem Prime. It's cheap, and works quite well.

5. I'm glad your tank is cycled, although cycling with just water from another tank doesn't really do much, since the vast majority of these bacteria are in the filter media and on other surfaces.

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Alex is the best! He gives great advice and I would 100% listen to him :) Definitely take the carbon out!

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Thanks dnalex!

1. I went back there today to see if any of their fish had any problems and LOW BEHOLD they had a quarantine tank set up with 8 goldfish in it, all covered in them. So yes, you are right with that one.

2. Good to know, I was told over and over again that salt would work. I found dimilin online, but its insanely expensive. Do you have any sources you have found it at that might be less than 75 dollars? Cyropro seems a little more reasonable but does it actually work?

3. When I was at the store looking at them, he didn't seem to have a problem because he was in the top tank swimming down towards me. When I got him home, he started floating. I fed him peas for a few days, fasted him, and he pooped out all the peas. I'm not really sure what it was, but it was sad.

4. I'll have to check it out! I actually work as an aquatic specialist at Petco, so I get nice discounts on all kinds of fun goodies. I've seen it there but I've never tried it. Thanks for the suggestion!

5. I also put in the filter cartridge from my 20. I just forgot to mention that. It still probably wasn't much but hey, I still let it run for a month. But thank you!

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The cartridge would have done it :rofl

Definitely get the Seachem Prime. It's probably the most concentrated conditioner out there, and there is the added benefit of detoxifying ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates.

Cyropro should work very well. I have both that and dimilin. The reason why dimilin is so expensive is because it's been discontinued for quite some time.

I love my Petco. :)

Since you work at Petco, I'd also raid the frozen section for FBW, brine shimp, krill. NLS is awesome, but go with 2mm as the biggest size. Thera-A 1mm is one of my favorites. :)

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I've got brine shrimp, blood worms and mysis in my freezer. Mysis are mostly for my archers but if the goldfish are fine with them then they can have some too. They can have krill!?!?!?!? YES. I love feeding krill. I had no idea! NLS IS AWESOME! Every time someone needs new fish food, I always point to that. And they always come back and say. "THIS IS AWESOME".

Anyway. I'm going to do some more research for those fish drugs and get back to you on which one I order. Thanks for all your helpful hints.

I've been on a couple of forums and every time I mention I work at Petco, people are like "SHUUUUUNNNNN, SHE'S THE DEVIL" Glad to see someone loves their Petco. I think that there are petco's everywhere that give the rest of us a bad rep. :no:

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not all petcos are bad... not all nurses are bad. You have to give everyone a fair chance :panana Just my :twocents

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I see what you did there, with your two cents :P

Alright. So I think I'm gonna go with CyroPro. It obeys my goldfish budget a little better.

Will 8oz be enough?

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I see what you did there, with your two cents :P

Alright. So I think I'm gonna go with CyroPro. It obeys my goldfish budget a little better.

Will 8oz be enough?

That should be plenty. :)

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It's up to you. According to some sources, it's actually better to leave the worms there, to be expelled by itself. I am one of those people who HAVE to pluck them out. It gives me a kind of perverse pleasure, a sort of vengeance, if you will. :o:rofl

Have you found the right size Cyropro?

The other option is to use Tetra Parasite Guard, as Heidi recommended, because it contains diflubenzuron. The only thing I don't like is that it contains metronidazole, and treating and removing metro off and on for 4 weeks is courting with danger with antibiotic resistance.

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what is nls ?

New Life Spectrum

it's a brand of goldfish food recommended on this forum a lot. It's a really good quality food from what I've heard.

http://www.amazon.com/New-Life-Spectrum-Goldfish-Formula/dp/B0002E7JG2/ref=sr_1_1?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1376093136&sr=1-1&keywords=new+life+spectrum+goldfish

EDIT: Tele got to it first. :wa

:rofl

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I've got brine shrimp, blood worms and mysis in my freezer. Mysis are mostly for my archers but if the goldfish are fine with them then they can have some too. They can have krill!?!?!?!? YES. I love feeding krill. I had no idea! NLS IS AWESOME! Every time someone needs new fish food, I always point to that. And they always come back and say. "THIS IS AWESOME".

Anyway. I'm going to do some more research for those fish drugs and get back to you on which one I order. Thanks for all your helpful hints.

I've been on a couple of forums and every time I mention I work at Petco, people are like "SHUUUUUNNNNN, SHE'S THE DEVIL" Glad to see someone loves their Petco. I think that there are petco's everywhere that give the rest of us a bad rep. :no:

I surely love my petco, too! :)

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what is nls ?

New Life Spectrum fish food!!!

And dnalex I really wish I had the guts to. I just don't think I dare with the ones on his fragile tail and around his eyes. I did a water change earlier, took the carbon out. If I see ANY improvement from him tomorrow, then maybe I'll try to pull a few. I had really good luck with the one I pulled off my first oranda, He healed quickly with no infection. I used neosporin on it and it never even got inflamed or anything.

No, I haven't found the right size. But I'm looking. I might be able to find that Tetra Parasite Guard WAY easier than anything else. I'm gonna look at the few pet stores around my area, one of them sells a lot of pond stuff (even though were I'm from, fish in ponds are illegal) they might have something.

Is the metronidazole the same thing in Metro Med food?

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