Emergency- Any Hope for my Goldie?

[cmsciulli 2]

Hi Gang,

My Goldie is probably terminal, but I'm hoping there is a chance I can save him with your help.

Was thinking he had Ich so began treating him with Kordon's Ick Attack for the past several days. He was fine until I came home this afternoon at 5pm, and I found him like this:

What do you all think? Break out the clove oil? :/

[dnalex 13,633]

I'm sorry your goldfish is not well. At this stage, you must keep very clean water, along with 0.1% salt, and hope for the best.

If you thought that the white spot on the wen is ich, it's not.

Could you please answer all the questions on the top of the page? Thank you!

[cmsciulli 2]

I'm sorry your goldfish is not well. At this stage, you must keep very clean water, along with 0.1% salt, and hope for the best.

If you thought that the white spot on the wen is ich, it's not.

Could you please answer all the questions on the top of the page? Thank you!

Info is inc. . . do you think it's a fungus?

[yafashelli 9,540]

Hi, I'm sorry your fish isn't feeling well. Can you go ahead and answer these questions? It'll give us a much better picture of his environment, so we can better help your fish.

• Test Results for the Following:
• * Ammonia Level(Tank)
• * Nitrite Level(Tank)
• * Nitrate level(Tank)
• * Ammonia Level(Tap)
• * Nitrite Level(Tap)
• * Nitrate level(Tap)
• * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
• * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
• Other Required Info:
• * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
• * Water temperature?
• * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
• * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
• * How often do you change the water and how much?

• * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?
• * How many fish in the tank and their size?
• * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
• * What do you feed your fish and how often?
• * Any new fish added to the tank?
• * Any medications added to the tank?
• * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
• * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
• * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

[dnalex 13,633]

The questions that Yafashelli posted are the questions I referred to.

[cmsciulli 2]

I test the main tank- 75 gallons planted - for everything at least once a week with an API drop test kit. My Nitrates are always way too high, and I can't get them to stabalize. I Do a water change once a week because of this. Ihave two of the largest Emperor filters on the main tank. This tank has been running for a few years now. . . I had 5 fish and lost all but one.

The sick fish is in a 2.5 gallon hospital tank and I change the water twice daily. He is in there with 3 other fish, not ideal I know, but I don't have a filter set up yet for my actual 20 gallon hospital tank. . . was waiting for payday. This was an emergency fix bc I thought they all had Ich.

I use Prime as a conditioner, and have been adding a bit of Stress Coat Plus and the Kordon's Ick Attack.

I was feeding them Hikari Lionhead food, but have access to Metro Meds if needed.

[cmsciulli 2]

The questions that Yafashelli posted are the questions I referred to.

Yep I'm sorry guys. . . I know the rules, but I wanted to get that pic out there asap. I apologize.

I just did a water change in the smaller tank. I can add salt but will wait a sec for more input.

Sorry I am a spaz, I appreciate your help.

[dnalex 13,633]

I'm sorry. Without knowing the history of the tank, I am not able to help more.

I can tell you this, that 2.5 gallon is too small, and is likely contributing to the fish not doing well. Sorry to be blunt, but as you say, this is an emergency.

[cmsciulli 2]

• Test Results for the Following:
• * Ammonia Level(Tank)- Just changed water in QT tank
• * Nitrite Level(Tank)- Just changed water in QT tank

  * Nitrate level(Tank)- Just changed water in QT tank

  * Ammonia Level(Tap)

• * Nitrite Level(Tap)
• * Nitrate level(Tap)
• * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
• * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
• Other Required Info:
• * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API drop kit
• * Water temperature? ~80F. . . no heater on, it's just hot inside my house
• * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 2.5 gallon QT tank running since Sat. Will move to 20gallon QT Tank aas soon as I get a filter and hood for it.
• * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? No filter in QT tank bc was treating for Ich
• * How often do you change the water and how much? 2x daily, 100%

• * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Today, 100%
• * How many fish in the tank and their size? 4 small goldfish
• * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime and Stress Coat Plus
• * What do you feed your fish and how often? Hikari Lionhead once a day
• * Any new fish added to the tank?
• * Any medications added to the tank? Kordon's Ick Attack
• * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Kordon's Ick Attack since Sat.
• * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? White spots on when and tail
• * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Lethargic, now listing to side

[fantailfan1 26,742]

The fish will be a lot better off in the 20 gallon without a filter, with large daily WCs than in the 2.5 gallon . . .

Please post parameters for the main tank and your tap water.

[cmsciulli 2]

• Ammonia Level(Tap)- .25ppm

• Nitrite Level(Tap)- 1.0ppm
• Nitrate level(Tap)- Between 10ppm and 20ppm
• Ph Level, Tap- 6.0

I had just done a 50% water change and cleaning in the main tank when I noticed this fish was sick. I removed the smaller fish to a make shift QT tank and began treating for what i thought was Ich.

The chemistry in main tank is usually Ammonia 0.5ppm or less, Nitrites 0ppm, Nitrates 40ppm-80ppm.

[cmsciulli 2]

I'm sorry. Without knowing the history of the tank, I am not able to help more.

I can tell you this, that 2.5 gallon is too small, and is likely contributing to the fish not doing well. Sorry to be blunt, but as you say, this is an emergency.

Don't apologize, you're fine!

[cmsciulli 2]

I can certainly move them all to the unfiltered 20 gallon tank, but I don't have any suitable salt in the house atm. I have Epsom salt, but no aquarium salt.

[Mr. Hyde 5,372]

Good luck.

Hope your fish gets better. <crossing fingers>

[cmsciulli 2]

I scared the mods off with my stupidity :*(

Good luck.

Hope your fish gets better. <crossing fingers>

Thank you! I'm just not sure what else I can do at this point :/

[Mr. Hyde 5,372]

I scared the mods off with my stupidity :*(

Good luck.

Hope your fish gets better. <crossing fingers>

Thank you! I'm just not sure what else I can do at this point :/

I don't think you scared anyone off.

...mods probably multitasking with other questions.

I'm no expert, but sounds like the advice they gave is the most you can do at this point.

I will keep good thoughts in mind for you.

[cmsciulli 2]

I scared the mods off with my stupidity :*(

Good luck.

Hope your fish gets better. <crossing fingers>

Thank you! I'm just not sure what else I can do at this point :/

I don't think you scared anyone off.

...mods probably multitasking with other questions.

I'm no expert, but sounds like the advice they gave is the most you can do at this point.

I will keep good thoughts in mind for you.

Thanks! They were all doing very well until a few days ago ><

I'm very frustrated and sad.

[cmsciulli 2]

He died :/

[tithra 4,917]

I am so sorry you lost him

[tithra 4,917]

Just thinking of your other fish, are you using anything to raise pH in your main tank? Your tap pH is very low (too low for goldfish)

Any health concerns for the rest of your fish in the main tank at the moment?

[cmsciulli 2]

I am so sorry you lost him

Hi Tithra,

My tap readings are

• Ammonia Level(Tap)- .25ppm

• Nitrite Level(Tap)- 1.0ppm
• Nitrate level(Tap)- Between 10ppm and 20ppm
• Ph Level, Tap- 6.0

The levels in the main tank are usually

• Ammonia Level(Tap)- .50ppm or less

• Nitrite Level(Tap)- 0ppm
• Nitrate level(Tap)- Between 40ppm-80ppm

High Nitrates have been a problem for me for about a year or more now.

[cmsciulli 2]

Just thinking of your other fish, are you using anything to raise pH in your main tank? Your tap pH is very low (too low for goldfish)

No, but I will get something. pH in the tank was around 7.0 last I checked. I don't regulary check the pH because it was around 7.0 for so long. . . dumb, I know.

[tithra 4,917]

Just thinking of your other fish, are you using anything to raise pH in your main tank? Your tap pH is very low (too low for goldfish)

No, but I will get something. pH in the tank was around 7.0 last I checked. I don't regulary check the pH because it was around 7.0 for so long. . . dumb, I know.

you can use baking soda if you have some in the cupboard Please take a look at this article http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/110296-stabilizing-your-tank-ph-with-sodium-bicarbonate-baking-soda/

If you have any questions let us know.

[tithra 4,917]

It is also possible that your tap pH is low, but tank pH is fine, sometimes there are gasses in the tap that are used to keep tap water low, but in the tank these gasses release and pH rises. However, you want to know what your tap pH is compared to tank because you want to be careful not to lower it more than .5ppm when you are doing water changes. So, if you have a 1.0 difference between tap and tank, the largest water change you would want to do at one time is 50% unless you allow the tap water to age and pH to rise before adding the water to the tank.

Testing your main tank pH will give you a good idea of what is going on (if you need a buffer etc.)

[cmsciulli 2]

Just thinking of your other fish, are you using anything to raise pH in your main tank? Your tap pH is very low (too low for goldfish)

No, but I will get something. pH in the tank was around 7.0 last I checked. I don't regulary check the pH because it was around 7.0 for so long. . . dumb, I know.

you can use baking soda if you have some in the cupboard Please take a look at this article http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/110296-stabilizing-your-tank-ph-with-sodium-bicarbonate-baking-soda/

If you have any questions let us know.

Thanks! I'd prefer this to additional chemicals. I was trying to have a natural as possible, planted tank to try and get an equilibrium going.

going.