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  • * Ammonia Level(Tank): 0ppm
  • * Nitrite Level(Tank): 0ppm
  • * Nitrate level(Tank) 0ppm
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.0
  • Other Required Info:
    • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API
    • * Water temperature? 75
    • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 20gal running for 5 months
    • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? aqua clear 30
    • * How often do you change the water and how much? 80 to 90 % once weekly
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 2 days 80%
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 1inch
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? stress zyme
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Omga one, solent green twice a day expect wed and sun, and peas after a day of fasting
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? no medical tank, to keep an eye on problem fish
  • * Any medications added to the tank? no
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Blood on fish just happened today
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? no

I bought a beautiful ranchu on 6/12/13 and he has been in the quartine procedure with no issues and is in perfect condition. it has been two weeks now, and he is a happy camper. But, I go to the movies for two hours and come home to this!!!

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I did an 80 to 90% water change on friday the 21st and can see water is in perfect condition.

I am thinking he may have got stuck against the filter, but I am sooo worried. He is swimming around with some difficultly. He is eatting the peas I put in there, when I discovered his wounds. What can I do for him??

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Sorry i didn't provide all the parameters. I was in a bit of a hurry just testing the tank water to beginning with because this is my first injured fish. Here is the rest of the info.

Test Results for the Following:

  • * Ammonia Level(Tank) : 0ppm
  • * Nitrite Level(Tank) : between oppm and 5.0ppm
  • * Nitrate level(Tank): oppm
  • * Ammonia Level(Tap) oppm
  • * Nitrite Level(Tap)0ppm
  • * Nitrate level(Tap) 0ppm
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.0
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4

Other Required Info:

  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API
  • * Water temperature? 75F
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 20gals 5 months
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? aqua clear 30

* How often do you change the water and how much? once a week 80%

  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 2 days 80%
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 fish in tank 1in each
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? stress zyme
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? twice a day except wed and sun, after one day of fasting I feed them peas. I feed them Soilent green, Omega one and veggies here and there
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? no new fish
  • * Any medications added to the tank? no medication
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment: two fish in tank as a watcher tank. one telescope has swimbladder disorder that is permanent as well as some tail deformities. Ranchu is two weeks new with no problems. Tanks is 5 months running with one apple snail, and some plants. Java fern, java moss, crypts, and amonzon sword.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? No unsual findings, besides the new bloody bruising on one side of ranchu, small kink in tail with bloody bruising along with some black streeks, just appeared today within the 2-3 hours.

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? No unsual behavior. At first did not want to swim much, but after a light feeding of some peas he ate and now swims around slightly favoring his injured side.

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We ave a soft water system in my house so there isn't much of a need for a de-chlorinater. About every other week I may add some prime, but I didn't this week.

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I don't mean to be sharp, but can anyone offer any advice. I filled out the parameters offered you a picture and video of my fish. Now, here is a picture of my tank. If anyone has dealt or seen this before please help a sista out.

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Prime should be added every time water is added to the aquarium. Even on well water I add prime to help not only detoxify chlorine and chloramines, but nitrates and heavy metals as well.

Right now the only one who can give you concrete advice is a Moderator. They know this thread is here and will reply as soon as one of them is free to do so.

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:hi

We usually encourage injuries of this nature to heal themselves with clean water. Since your fish will be healing may I suggest using prime at every water change? This will clear out toxins that may cause the fish to take longer to heal making it more prone to infection. :)

Soft water can mean the pH is unstable. I see your tap is 7.4 but your tank is 8.0 so I'm going to ask you a few questions to get that sorted out. A stable pH means a happy fish and a happy tank :thumbs:

Do you age your water before adding it to your water change?

Do you know the GH/KH of your tank or tap?

Are you using API drops or strips?

Just additional questions from viewing your video:

During the QT did you treat for parasites? If so what did you use?

These additional questions will help the mods determine a more concrete path for you to take in regards to your fish. You have a beautiful ranchu :)

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I am using API drops but i do not have a test for GH/KH. I do however have aquarium salt, as well as prime which I plan on using ASAP. I do not let my water age before adding it. I use a siphon to drain the water and fill it again. I have not used any medication on in the tank. I had him in there for a week alone, making sure it was eating, checking his poo, and watching his general behavior. He looked like a perfectly healthy fish. I added my wee telescope after the week because I noticed the other two bullies from my larger tank weren't allowing him to eat. They have been in the tank together now for a week.

Now, this injury had to have happened within 3 hours. I had a friend over and was just showing her my fish and my newest ranchu, Walter. He had no signs of distress or any wounds. When I came home, I went to feed them some peas and went I bent down to look at him I noitced the marks, and well kinda freaked out, lol. He is swimming around contently, looking for food, and begging me to feed him. Since the the sores are on one side of his body it makes me think it was an incident with the filter, but I know you all would know better then I. I am all ears. Thank you for your patience.

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I don't know if the injury is the result of a filter mishap, but I absolutely agree that it's an injury, given the time frame, etc.

There are two options:

- the first has been mentioned several times up above, and that is just clean water. The injury actually doesn't look too bad, and I think will heal nicely with just clean water. Instead of doing the one WC weekly, perhaps increase it to 3 times a week for the next 2 weeks. I think you will see remarkably fast healing. :)

- the other option is to salt the tank to 0.2%, to help speed up healing and to block secondary infections. Based on what I've seen, I don't know that you need to do this, but if you feel that you absolutely have to be more pro-active than the other option, this is OK, too. :)

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Thank you Dnalex.with his activity I agree that clean water along with some salt and prime may be the trick. I will keep the topic updated. Thank you for your patience. Its my first injured fish and my fish are my babies, as I am sure it is for everyone. You all can understand my panic, lol.

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Also, if you think it might be a filter injury, you may want to cover the intake with some filter floss/padding, etc so it doesn't happen again, at least until he and the tele are bigger.

Good luck with him. He is a cutie! :D

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Thanks everyone for the feedback. Walter is doing much better, he is healing rapidly once I changed the water, added prime and a bit of aquarium salt. I was going to do a salt dip too, but once I saw that his wounds were healing I didn't think it would be necessary. I am going to do another water change on Thursday and probably another during the weekend. I thank you guys for all the help.

Also, now that I think back on it, in a less panic strickin way I don't think he got caught against the filter, but i think he got caught against the bubbler. I had it placed in the tank behind a potted plant, but it may have been to close together. He is still a bit hidey and he likes to hide behing the potted plant. I think he may of accidently squeezed himself between the two from the looks of it. The bubbler is one of those gritty sandpaper bars, so I can see how he scratched his side up against it. I fixed the placement of everything near it so it shouldn't happen again.

Thanks everyone for the feedback. Walter is doing much better, he is healing rapidly once I changed the water, added prime and a bit of aquarium salt. I was going to do a salt dip too, but once I saw that his wounds were healing I didn't think it would be necessary. I am going to do another water change on Thursday and probably another during the weekend. I thank you guys for all the help.

Also, now that I think back on it, in a less panic stricken way I don't think he got caught against the filter, but i think he got caught against the bubbler. I had it placed in the tank behind a potted plant, but it may have been to close together. He is still a bit hidey and he likes to hide behind the potted plant. I think he may of accidently squeezed himself between the two from the looks of it. The bubbler is one of those gritty sandpaper bars, so I can see how he scratched his side up against it. I fixed the placement of everything near it so it shouldn't happen again.

Once again, thank you guys. I will add some pictures of him completely healed.

Once again, thank you guys. I will add some pictures of him completly healed.

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So, I wanted to give everyone who helped an update. Walter is doing great. He healed right away, within 3 days there was no sign of injury. Here are some pictures of the little guy, who is getting bigger each day.

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Thank you all for your help and patience.

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