tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 8, 2013 The first round of prazi was on the 29th and the last round was about five days ago. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 9, 2013 I got the extra filter and I am doing a water change now. The red bulge on the gray oranda's head seems to be improving, but the orange oranda condition has gotten worse. The eyes are still bulging and today I see can see some pineconing. She is also sitting on the bottom a lot. http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u613/tarannosaurus/For%20Koko/20130609_152553_zps2c3ca11f.jpg http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u613/tarannosaurus/For%20Koko/20130609_152447_zpsdc9d3bee.jpg I am doing a large water change right now. Should I continue to use salt and prazi? I also have Tetra fungus guard that I was considering using. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodoba 2,980 Posted June 9, 2013 Yes you can use both salt and prazi with the presence of bulging eyes. What concentration of salt do you have and how long have they been in salt? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 9, 2013 I don't know what concentration of salt it is but I have a 55 gallon tank and I have been adding 11 tablespoons of salt over the last couple of weeks with water changes. I was hesitant to use salt because I suspect dropsy with the orange oranda. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koko 14,340 Posted June 9, 2013 I don't know what concentration of salt it is but I have a 55 gallon tank and I have been adding 11 tablespoons of salt over the last couple of weeks with water changes. I was hesitant to use salt because I suspect dropsy with the orange oranda. do you have a QT tank.. that fish needs to be in its own tank.. your right its got dropies and popeye. I would want you do do a epsom salt treatment in the tank and also see if you can order metromeds from goldfish connection.com. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 9, 2013 I don't have a QT tank. The best thing I have is a 10 gallon bucket. I don't have a filter I could use for it either, but I do have an air pump. I have epsom salt and I have aquarium salt. I can order meds too. Please give me more details on what I should be adding to the big tank right now and if the bucket will work. If the bucket will work please tell me exactly what to do with that too. How much epsom salt should I be adding? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodoba 2,980 Posted June 9, 2013 To salt with epsom salt, you dissolve 1/4 teaspoon per 10 gallons. You would be doing this away from other fish. The fish is kept in epsom water for only 8 days. Metromeds are treated for the internal infection while the fish is in the epsom treatment. I suggest you purchase them so we can move forward with treatment. You are correct, you do not use salt to treat a bulging eye if the fish has dropsied, I was not aware of the dropsy in the fish so I apologize for that information. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 9, 2013 Okay, so epsom salt the tank and keep the dropsy goldfish separate? I will purchase the metromeds asap. Should I still use prazi in the tank as well? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodoba 2,980 Posted June 9, 2013 I would try and squeeze another prazi round in yes. It's gentle enough to use with both epsom and metromeds. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 10, 2013 All the fish get the metromeds? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodoba 2,980 Posted June 10, 2013 Just to confirm before you start them, maybe outline Fish #1's current condition and Fish #2's, that will help the mods determine which would benefit from MM's 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 10, 2013 Alright. So... the size of the gray oranda's red bulge has been greatly reduced. He has a good appetite but occasionally sits on the bottom. There are still some red streaks in his (tail) fins. This fish is in the tank that has been salted and treated for flukes. the orange oranda has been quarantined. She has a good appetite but is still pineconing and has bulging eyes. Her tail fins are bloody and tattered at the ends. I ordered Metro-Meds this afternoon. I also have a healthy telescope goldfish that is also in the aquarium right now. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodoba 2,980 Posted June 10, 2013 Hello! I just thought I would get back to you. I think in your case both your sick fish would do well to be fed the metromeds. I don't think your healthy fish needs to be fed in. In this instance we would be feeding your fish isolated in a colander or a separate container to feed so that they would get the appropriate amount of medications. Do you think this would be possible? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 11, 2013 Yes, I can feed everyone separately. Metro-Meds should be coming in tomorrow. How much should I feed the sick fish and how often? Or are there instructions on the medication? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fantailfan1 26,742 Posted June 11, 2013 Do you have a kitchen scale so that you can weigh them? If not, please measure them from nose to peduncle (where the body ends and the tail begins). We can guestimate based on that measurement and their pics if we need to. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 13, 2013 Alright I just got the meds in the mail today. The larger oranda (the one with the bulge) is about 5 inches from nose to peduncle and the smaller one (dropsy fish) is about 2.5. How much meds should I give each of them? Another development: My third fish, the telescope which was previously healthy is now floating at the top on his side. He swims about occasionally but goes back to floating at the top. I suspect this is from constantly sucking air at the top of the tank - a bad habit she has had since I got her about a year ago. I was going to feed him peas unless someone has another suggestion. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodoba 2,980 Posted June 13, 2013 Can you weigh the two fish or let us know their nose to peduncle length? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 13, 2013 I gave their lengths because I don't have a scale. The floating telescope is about 4 inches from nose to peduncle. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodoba 2,980 Posted June 13, 2013 Ok thank you! I have alerted the person who has the length-weight chart and they will pass along the amount. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 13, 2013 Should I feed the other guy peas? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 13, 2013 I couldn't wait for a response. I fed the floating fish peas. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodoba 2,980 Posted June 13, 2013 Yes peas are fine to feed in the interim. Hello! Sorry for taking so long to get back to you! We were still unsure of the weight of your larger fish for a guestimate. We're going to say that the 40-50 grams for your small fish and 100 grams for your oranda. Small fish - gets 20 pellets of MM's Oranda - gets 40 pellets of MM's While you are feeding MM's you shouldn't feed anything else. It needs to be the only food in their system to work effectively. Thank you for waiting so patiently 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 13, 2013 Alright. The floating telescope is much better today. I was thinking I would feed peas for at least a few days just to be safe. Is there any way to discourage the air-sucking? He's always doing flips and stuff. He always wants to be around people. If I open the lid, he's right there. He likes to be touched and hand-fed too. (He does the air-sucking when no one is by the tank.) 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tarannosaurus 24 Posted June 13, 2013 The large oranda isn't doing so well. He has a lot of red streaks and sores on his fins. I fed him and the other oranda (in quarantine) Metro-Meds this morning. http://s1324.photobucket.com/user/tarannosaurus/media/For%20Koko/20130613_122548_zpsf43129d5.mp4.html He moves a lot whenever I approach the tank but bottom-sits otherwise. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodoba 2,980 Posted June 13, 2013 Keep true, the MM's can take up to a week before the effects are seen. How is the water quality? 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
