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First poor Goldy is very sick... Close to death.. Please help

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HEllo everybody,

This is my first post and I'm very new to fish. I really really need help. I love animals very much and my silly girlfriend accepted a small goldfish as a present knowing nothing about them. We have a Puny Fluval Chi' 5 Gallon tank and at first everything seemed fine. Our fish got lethargic and started resting on the substrate, but would wake up in the morning. Then I noticed the poor little guy gasping at the top of the tank a couple of days later so I did a 50% water change.

Next day the poor guy was covered in white spots and part of his tail had started to erode, although i didnt know it at the time. I freaked out and read as much as I could as quickly as I could and bought NOX ICH to clear the white spots.

The next day he looked way worse. Had clamped fins, rotting tail and white cloudy substance all over his rear half of his body. He looked very very sick.

I went and bought API test kit, API triple sulfa and API Fungus cure aquarium salt and prime and came home and started a treatment of Triple sulfa and malachite green at 24 hr intervals, Fungus cure at 48 hour intervals and daily 30%-50% water changes with prime. I'm putting in top fin Bacterial supplement temporarily to try and help him through this although I know they will not form a sustainable colony.

Every water change i put in about a 1/2 teaspoon of aquarium salt.

Its been 3 days and he still seems very very very rough.

He has white cloudy looking 'mucusy' stuff hanging off of him, and white dots, no tail, all fins clamped. Is floating on the surface. Has a very hard time swimming down.

I don't know what to do.

The cloudy fungus looks worse than it did yesterday.

The white patches on his back and tail look almost yellow.

I know our tank is too small but it is all I can do for at least two more weeks. I need to get him through this with the small tank.

I think this was all caused by stress from ammonia poisoning and poorly matched temp water changes.

My levels

pH is 7.6

Ammonia is now 0ppm but rises to 0.25 between daily changes

nitrite is 0ppm

nitrate is 0ppm

I've attached pictures.

He now has black/greyish patches on his gills and face.

Thanks so much for reading. Any help would be a Godsend.

Please click the links for pictures!

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Hi, would you please fill out all of the questions at the top of the page and don't add anymore medications until further advised. The ones you are using can be very harsh and potentially do more harm than good.

I noticed that your tank size is way too small for goldfish, they require at least 20 gallons per fish. Is there anyway you can get your hands on a sterilite tub to temporarily house your goldie?

You came to the right place so I'm sure someone will be along soon to help you and your adorable Goldie :)

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Upgrading will definitely make it easier, even if it is a cheap, food safe sterile plastic tub. Those are great for QT's, and 10 gallons will be suitable in the mean time with daily full water changes.

What is your tap pH?

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I'm going to respond to the main post in a little bit, but I would like to point something quickly:

- Linking to any other fish forum is prohibited.

Thank you.

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Hi, would you please fill out all of the questions at the top of the page and don't add anymore medications until further advised. The ones you are using can be very harsh and potentially do more harm than good.

I noticed that your tank size is way too small for goldfish, they require at least 20 gallons per fish. Is there anyway you can get your hands on a sterilite tub to temporarily house your goldie?

You came to the right place so I'm sure someone will be along soon to help you and your adorable Goldie :)

Thank you for your words of reassurance. I hope I can bring the poor buy back from the edge.


  • Test Results for the Following:
  • * Ammonia Level (tank):0 - 0.25ppm
  • * Nitrite Level (tank)0ppm
  • * Nitrate level (Tank)0ppm
  • * Ammonia Level (Tap):
  • * Nitrite Level (Tap)
  • * Nitrate level (Tap)
  • * Ph Level, (Tank) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.6
  • * Ph Level, (Tap) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API master Drops
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Fluval CHI
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Seachem Prime, Top Fin Bacterial Supplement
  • * Water temperature? ~ 73F
  • * How often do you change the water and how much? Twice Daily, 35 - 40%

  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Today 35%
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 5 Gal running for 3 months fishless, then added the one Goldy two weeks ago
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 approx 3 inch long goldfish
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Nutrafin Flakes & Blood Worms alternating daily but no food today
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? No
  • * Any medications added to the tank? Triple Sulfa, Nox Ich, Fungus Cure
  • * List previous issues experienced (dropsy, SBD, etc.) Bottom sitting, Darting
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
    Frayed Fins, Off white clumps on body, white wisps hanging everywhere. Pieces of fin coming off whole
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
    Aquarium salt, 1/2 tsp per Gallon introduced with water changes
    Api Triple Sulfa every 24 hrs
    Api Fungus Cure every 48 hrs
    Nox Ich 3 drops every 24 hrs
  • * You can really help us to identify with the concern more accurately if you post some pictures and a short video.

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I'm going to respond to the main post in a little bit, but I would like to point something quickly:

- Linking to any other fish forum is prohibited.

Thank you.

I'm very sorry about that. Ill rehost the photos elsewhere.

How do i edit the post? There is no edit button

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I'm going to respond to the main post in a little bit, but I would like to point something quickly:

- Linking to any other fish forum is prohibited.

Thank you.

I'm very sorry about that. Ill rehost the photos elsewhere.

How do i edit the post? There is no edit button

Links have already been removed for you :) No need to worry

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Upgrading will definitely make it easier, even if it is a cheap, food safe sterile plastic tub. Those are great for QT's, and 10 gallons will be suitable in the mean time with daily full water changes.

What is your tap pH?

Tap pH is 6.8

I will get him into a rubbermaid ASAP

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Just remember to match the temperature and pH, so it is not stressful

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Hello,

Firstly, I wanted to say that I'm sorry this is happening. I'm very glad you are trying to help. That is really wonderful.

The bad news is that he's in really bad shape, and while we are going to try all we can to help, we may not be successful in the end. I think he definitely has a chance, but it isn't a sure thing. From the pictures, it looks to me like the biggest problem is one of external parasites, which is causing the roughed up appearance. There is a good bit of fin rot going on as well, and that is likely from secondary bacterial infections.

Is there any way you could go tomorrow to an LFS and get a product called Tetra Parasite Guard? That's the product we will need to be using, because it contains a blend of antiparasite meds, and a disinfectant, which will be helpful against the secondary infections.

The plastic tub is a good idea, and at this state, it's easier to manage. I am assuming he is very weak, so you don't actually even need a filter in the tub. For now, you can just run it with an airstone.

Let me know when you have all this. We will also be doing a lot of water changes in the coming weeks.

Oh, as for the links, it's not a problem. It was fixed, and done is done. :)

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goodness, he's really having a hard time.. good luck hun, i hope we can help you to get him on the right track :heart

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I hope he has a speedy recovery. My fins are crossed for your Goldy. :heart

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awww Poor baby :( I hope he recovers for you asap :)

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Hello,

Firstly, I wanted to say that I'm sorry this is happening. I'm very glad you are trying to help. That is really wonderful.

The bad news is that he's in really bad shape, and while we are going to try all we can to help, we may not be successful in the end. I think he definitely has a chance, but it isn't a sure thing. From the pictures, it looks to me like the biggest problem is one of external parasites, which is causing the roughed up appearance. There is a good bit of fin rot going on as well, and that is likely from secondary bacterial infections.

Is there any way you could go tomorrow to an LFS and get a product called Tetra Parasite Guard? That's the product we will need to be using, because it contains a blend of antiparasite meds, and a disinfectant, which will be helpful against the secondary infections.

The plastic tub is a good idea, and at this state, it's easier to manage. I am assuming he is very weak, so you don't actually even need a filter in the tub. For now, you can just run it with an airstone.

Let me know when you have all this. We will also be doing a lot of water changes in the coming weeks.

Oh, as for the links, it's not a problem. It was fixed, and done is done. :)

Hi again.

So i have purchased the tetra parasite guard and lifeguard, an air stone and i have a big rubber maid container ready to go.

Should i follow the steps on the package?

I'm ready for the next steps!

Would it be a good idea to finish up the triple sulfa course?

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Also,

From a lot of what i have read, the yellow stuff resembling ich on his back could be velvet, which will not be affected by parasite guard. A copper product would work for that. Let me know what your thoughts are on that and whether you think it is velvet or not

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The yellow is most likely excess slime coat that he is producing due to the ich. The mods might recommend salt dips to help with it, but the product Alex recommended is going to be your best bet so dont worry about buying anything else just yet. Hang tight, you're doing a great job so far! :)

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When he tries to swim his tail looks bent to one side and he flicks it to his right. Spinal issue too now?

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is his body bent into a "C" shape? If so, this is unfortunately a very bad sign, and often ends in the fish passing. I'm sorry. :(

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is his body bent into a "C" shape? If so, this is unfortunately a very bad sign, and often ends in the fish passing. I'm sorry. :(

No not really. Just at the very back just before where his tail fin would be it's bent to the right. What does the bend usually mean?

When he tries to swim he bends his tail more one way than the other.maybe i will take a video of it if i can.

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The yellow is most likely excess slime coat that he is producing due to the ich. The mods might recommend salt dips to help with it, but the product Alex recommended is going to be your best bet so dont worry about buying anything else just yet. Hang tight, you're doing a great job so far! :)

thank you so much for your kind words.

an update - he seems to be swimming(or trying to) far more now since i added the first dose of Parasite guard. I dont know if this is good or bad.. He is darting around...

His tail is definitely crooked... and his tail fin has gotten worse since the last pictures... it is almost non existent

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I'm sorry I wasn't around earlier today, and I am very glad you started dosing in the Parasite Guard. Hopefully, that will be what's needed to stop the fin from being gone completely. Good luck!

I don't think it's velvet, because velvet is more like a fine dusting of gold. This is more consistent with sloughed off slime coat.

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We are most definitely going to need to do more than two. The question is more whether there should be a break of a few days before we do it again.

How are the fish? Have their fins stopped deteriorating?

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He died last night.

But for anyone who gets into this mess, Tetra Parasite guard cleared the parasites on his body.

I miss the little guy.

Thank you all for your help and kind words.

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