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Two days ago, my husband did a water change, and forgot to add Prime :( He realized about two hours after and one of our fish died! He immediately added in the conditioner and figured our second fish was okay. When I saw her in the morning she was at the bottom of the tank, gulping and had cloudy eyes. We moved her to a smaller tank and made sure to give her oxygen. By the next day she was moving more and eating okay...so I switched her back to the tank. She still has cloudy eyes and her fin is a little frayed at the end :((( Will her eyes and fins heal? Is there anything I can to help her?

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Could you please check your parameters? I need to know if your cycle is intact, or if it has crashed. The cloudy eyes are more symptoms of an ammonia toxicity than chlorine, I think. :(

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Check your tap too, I think. It could be that the Prime has been binding ammonia that is in the tap until it is handled by your cycle. If there is ammonia in the tap and Prime wasn't added that could also result in ammonia toxicity. Does that sound plausible, Alex?

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Yeah, you're having a decent cycle bump. The ammonia isn't too bad at 0.25ppm, but the nitrite is really high. Keep changing the water to keep the nitrite below 0.5ppm.

During cycle bumps I have experienced that bacteria-supplements such as Nutrafin Cycle (or any other brand that provides cycle bacteria) can speed up the re-establishment of the cycle. :)

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I'm sorry this is happening. Your tank does not look fully cycled - or it has lost it's cycle - or the levels of aim and nitrites are high from the tap. Please test the tap. The nitrite levels are high and could be a big part of what is happening.

And, what Fang said, change water again if the nitrite readings from the tap are 0

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I did a 30% water change today (added prime) and the day before we added 2 teaspoons of salt...

pH (tap): 7.8

ammonia (tap): 1.0 ppm almost 2.0 ppm.

nitrite (tap): 0 ppm

nitrate (tap): 5.0 ppm

In order to get the toxins down you will have to change more than 30% :)

If you have almost 2ppm ammonia, then by changing 30% water you will only remove 30% of the ammonia, meaning the level will be at about 1.4ppm, which is still too high.

You will want to do water changes as big as possible, around 75% :)

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Yeah, you're having a decent cycle bump. The ammonia isn't too bad at 0.25ppm, but the nitrite is really high. Keep changing the water to keep the nitrite below 0.5ppm.

During cycle bumps I have experienced that bacteria-supplements such as Nutrafin Cycle (or any other brand that provides cycle bacteria) can speed up the re-establishment of the cycle. :)

how much water would you recommend changing?

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I did a 30% water change today (added prime) and the day before we added 2 teaspoons of salt...

pH (tap): 7.8

ammonia (tap): 1.0 ppm almost 2.0 ppm.

nitrite (tap): 0 ppm

nitrate (tap): 5.0 ppm

In order to get the toxins down you will have to change more than 30% :)

If you have almost 2ppm ammonia, then by changing 30% water you will only remove 30% of the ammonia, meaning the level will be at about 1.4ppm, which is still too high.

You will want to do water changes as big as possible, around 75% :)

Okay, I can do a water change now, should I add extra prime instead of the normal dosage? or salt?

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Wait a second, I see now your values are for the TAP water. You will definitely want to double dose prime then. The regular dose of prime detoxifies 1ppm ammonia. With the tap having almost 2ppm, double dose the prime. I see now why you are doing smaller water changes.

I'd stay away from the salt for now though, as it can make ammonia more toxic than it already is.

Somehow I didn't read it right, thought those were the parameters of your tank. :doh11:

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Let me post again, that way my parameters are all in one place.

pH (in tank): 8.0

Ammonia (in tank): .25ppm

Nitrite (in tank): 2.0 ppm

Nitrate (in tank): 10 ppm

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pH (tap): 7.8

ammonia (tap): 1.0 ppm almost 2.0 ppm.

nitrite (tap): 0 ppm

nitrate (tap): 5.0 ppm

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I agree with Fang, double dose the Prime. Do you have a bubbler in the tank? It's nice to have extra oxygen in the tank when using higher doses of Prime.

Yes, I have a bubble curtain.

Will the cloudy eye heal over time? I'm worried about her :(

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I really don't know. Perhaps one of the MODs will be by to give you a prognosis. I do feel that making sure the water is clean and free of nitrites and ammonia is really crucial right now. An uploaded picture might help the MODs give you an idea of how serious the damage is.

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Thank you for answering all the other questions all the other members had as well. :)

It does look like that either chlorine or chloramine in the tap has killed your cycle, and things are starting over again. The symptoms you listed are much more consistent with ammonia/nitrite poisoning, which was why I asked.

For now, what I would like for you to do is to add 1 teaspoon of salt for every 10 GALLONS of tank water. When you do water changes, replace the amount of salt taken out. This amount is sufficient to block nitrite toxicity. It appears that your ammonia processing bacteria are still working fine.

Check your tap too, I think. It could be that the Prime has been binding ammonia that is in the tap until it is handled by your cycle. If there is ammonia in the tap and Prime wasn't added that could also result in ammonia toxicity. Does that sound plausible, Alex?

It is very plausible, and PE may have demonstrated it.

The only thing is detecting ammonia in the tap with our test kit doesn't actually tell us if it's actually ammonia in the tap, or chloramine. Both will register as ammonia with the API ammonia drop test.

ammonia (tap): 1.0 ppm almost 2.0 ppm :o Whats the legal approved limit in Texas?

Flips, we actually need to find out if it's ammonia, chloramine, or both.

PinkElephant, could you call your water utility and ask them:

1. if they use chloramine instead of chlorine, and

2. if there is ammonia in the tap?

Thanks.

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Thank you for answering all the other questions all the other members had as well. :)

It does look like that either chlorine or chloramine in the tap has killed your cycle, and things are starting over again. The symptoms you listed are much more consistent with ammonia/nitrite poisoning, which was why I asked.

For now, what I would like for you to do is to add 1 teaspoon of salt for every 10 GALLONS of tank water. When you do water changes, replace the amount of salt taken out. This amount is sufficient to block nitrite toxicity. It appears that your ammonia processing bacteria are still working fine.

Check your tap too, I think. It could be that the Prime has been binding ammonia that is in the tap until it is handled by your cycle. If there is ammonia in the tap and Prime wasn't added that could also result in ammonia toxicity. Does that sound plausible, Alex?

It is very plausible, and PE may have demonstrated it.

The only thing is detecting ammonia in the tap with our test kit doesn't actually tell us if it's actually ammonia in the tap, or chloramine. Both will register as ammonia with the API ammonia drop test.

ammonia (tap): 1.0 ppm almost 2.0 ppm :o Whats the legal approved limit in Texas?

Flips, we actually need to find out if it's ammonia, chloramine, or both.

PinkElephant, could you call your water utility and ask them:

1. if they use chloramine instead of chlorine, and

2. if there is ammonia in the tap?

Thanks.

My water department uses chloramine...I am having a hard time with figuring out how much ammonia is supposed to be in the tap. The water dep. isn't very friendly.

I am working on getting a pic up. She seems a little more active, but one of her eyes seems better, the other seems like it has a growth on it?

I did a 60% water change, added prime and salt...

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You don't have to add Prime except for when you do the WCs. At that time, add double what you normally add, as well as adding the correct amount of salt. The salt should be enough to deal with the nitrites for the rest of the time. :)

Try looking online at the water report. There should be one for your city. :)

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