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Can you discourage breeding and what age can they start to breed?


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Can you discourage fishies to breed? I feel like it is totally unnatural and possibly departmental to the fishies health in the long run. but im still wondering. I assume its better to just let it happen and clean out the eggs?

Ranchu dropped eggs the other day not long after doing a water change she did this last year too when the weather temp was changing but she lived by her self then.

Now she has a cute tankmate and it has quickly became an on again off again romance. The little oranda chases her like crazy being um...well...all up in her grill…so to say… :S Is he (i am assuming a he still) trying to spawn with her or is he eating the eggs super fresh?! They have only been together a month. She is a year old and 4” he is close to 2” age not sure. What age do males start to show they are males and able to produce milt to fertilize eggs?

also is there a gentics chart any where as to what characteristic are recessive, dormant and all that jazz?

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There is no readily available genetics chart. Goldfish genetics is a bit more complicated than the usual, as they are tetraploids, instead of diploids. A good place to learn all this is with Joseph Smartt, who has two books out on genetics of goldfish. :)

You can discourage spawning chases by separating them, but you cannot stop it. Females still will drop eggs whether males are there or not.

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Keeping temperature as stable as possible and not feeding very high proteins will keep them 'calm(er)'.

That is a way of convincing them to think that it is not spring and spring will never happen.

Once I fed salmon twice in a week and the boys got super frisky.

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That is a way of convincing them to think that it is not spring and spring will never happen.

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There really is not much you can do to discourage breeding behavior except for what has already been mentioned. When they are in the mood, they are in the mood.

And it is entirely possible that your chaser is not even a male, but simply a female that likes eating fresh eggs. More than once I have seen my female fish being chased by other girls who would happily omnom on the released eggs. :)

It is hard to tell how old the males have to be, but on average I would say one year. I've had boys though that are mature enough before that, and others can be much slower.

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I'm confused.

What is more natural than reproducing and how could it be harmful to your fish? Am I missing something? It is actually better for your female to be releasing eggs instead of trying to reabsorb them and become impacted with eggs.

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It is better for the female to release eggs, but spawning can be dangerous for the female. Minor injuries are common, and some of these can become infected. While not very common, some females die after spawning. The function of reproduction in nature is to maintain the species, not the individual. Since few kinds of fish care for their offspring, and most will eat them, the survival of the adults after reproduction is not necessarily to the advantage of the species.

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It is better for the female to release eggs, but spawning can be dangerous for the female. Minor injuries are common, and some of these can become infected. While not very common, some females die after spawning. The function of reproduction in nature is to maintain the species, not the individual. Since few kinds of fish care for their offspring, and most will eat them, the survival of the adults after reproduction is not necessarily to the advantage of the species.

I'm aware of these things, I was hoping OP would respond with what she meant. If she meant spawning injuries or something, that makes sense. Seeing as how she is a new member though, I didn't want to assume what she does or does not know. I've heard some pretty crazy "advice" or "information" on breeding from chain stores, so I didn't want to assume.

If it was spawning injuries she was worried about, then you gave her a good explanation of what she can look out for and keep an eye on :)

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I think the op meant that it us unnatural to try and prevent/discourage spawning. At least that is how I read it.

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I read it this way as well :)

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Hey thank you all. sorry i get a wordy....I was wondering for a few reason mostly just out of curiosity and reproduction in so natural that I feel like it would be a bad thing for to try and stop them. but still the idea still came to me so thats why i was asking.

I dont mind her dropping eggs or cleaning the tank, all the critters in the tank eat them before i really need to get in there any way . I do worry about her getting egg bound. Is there a way to tell if she might be? what are the raeson behind a lady fish becoming egg bound? (sorry if there is a thread on this already let me know or if it should be)

but do males spawn and cover the eggs and tank in their milt? (is that the right term with goldfish) I read some stuff on line and then read some threads about people thinking their fish have spawned and they may have fertile eggs but nothing about the water in the tank be milky due to the males input in the possess? (should I start this in another thread?)

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I'm confused.

What is more natural than reproducing and how could it be harmful to your fish? Am I missing something? It is actually better for your female to be releasing eggs instead of trying to reabsorb them and become impacted with eggs.

oh sorry not that the fish breeding is unnatural but i feel it would be unnatural to try and stop it.

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There is no readily available genetics chart. Goldfish genetics is a bit more complicated than the usual, as they are tetraploids, instead of diploids. A good place to learn all this is with Joseph Smartt, who has two books out on genetics of goldfish. :)

You can discourage spawning chases by separating them, but you cannot stop it. Females still will drop eggs whether males are there or not.

ooooo thank you lots!!!!

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