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Hello all; I have 3 goldfish and they constantly chase each other around. I'm not sure if it's play or spawning behavior. Each fish is at least a year old and there's a lot of "butt sniffing" going on. I took some pics of their ventrals. Can you please help identify the sex of my goldfish?

Tanchi:

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Ricochet:

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Machete:

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Here's a video of them. Yes, I just fed them (hence Tanchi with the algae wafer). Please don't talk about my tank size or the stocking of it. I've already been through it on this forum. I just want to the genders of my goldfish. Thank you for your time.

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*not sure if that works. Here's another link*

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I can't tell if they are male or female based on the photos you provided and the fact that they are such small fish still. A better photo for determining sex would be them in the water, with you gently holding them and getting a profile view of the vent and a macro shot of their vents.

My males chase each other. On fish your size they are probably just playing.

However, they could be older than they appear. The long tails and under developed bodies lead me to believe their growth has been stunted. For this reason I'd say its possible they are trying to spawn but more likely they are bullying for food or playing.

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The stocking of your tank could also be stressing your fish causing them to feel a bit more territorial or aggressive with each other. I know you said not to mention it, however, it is an issue and will continue to effect several aspects of all the life in that tank until it is remedied, so that is why I am mentioning it here.

The videos don't work for me either.

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The photobucket video works for me, and that looks like little bouts of aggression to me, not spawning behavior. Unfortunately this looks to be space related, heightened by the fact that food of some sort is involved and in smaller, crowded spaces food is at a premium.

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Hi Kiara,

Please don't squeeze the bellies of your fish! This can do damage to their organs or kill them if they are not ripe for spawning!

I'm not. I know it looks like I am, but I'm not. I was just brushing the fins out of the way.

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Hi Kiara,

Please don't squeeze the bellies of your fish! This can do damage to their organs or kill them if they are not ripe for spawning!

I'm not. I know it looks like I am, but I'm not. I was just brushing the fins out of the way.

I can see the indentations on the belly and the fins lie flat against the bodies so that's not necessary. I just wanted to let you know so you would not accidentally hurt your babies :)

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http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/18264-sex-of-goldfish/

There are thumbnails on this thread that you can compare your fish to to help determine the gender of them. I cannot tell the difference from the pics.

Can we please all respect her request as to what is discussed in this thread? Here is her words quoted as a reminder :)

Please don't talk about my tank size or the stocking of it. I've already been through it on this forum. I just want to the genders of my goldfish. Thank you for your time.

http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/106601-spawningsexing/page__p__1381494#entry1381494

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They don't chase each other relentlessly and they do it every now and again. Four instance, ever since I got them every time I do a water change they tend to get really active and chase each other around. When you talk about longfins and short bodies like Tanchi for instance, he is a ribbontail. Ever since I got Machete "she" has grown in body and tail size. How is there any proof that it is from stunting? Many goldfish have large fins and I prefer goldfish with larger fins. In proportion to their body size, all of my goldfish have had the relatively same size of fins that they have now. Also, please do not think that this might be a stocking issue. They were alone until I consolidated two tanks. I am planning on upgrading them to either a 46 bowfront or a 55 gallon community.

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http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/18264-sex-of-goldfish/

There are thumbnails on this thread that you can compare your fish to to help determine the gender of them. I cannot tell the difference from the pics.

Can we please all respect her request as to what is discussed in this thread? Here is her words quoted as a reminder :)

Please don't talk about my tank size or the stocking of it. I've already been through it on this forum. I just want to the genders of my goldfish. Thank you for your time.

http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/106601-spawningsexing/page__p__1381494#entry1381494

Thank you. Also, I looked at the pictures but on my devices they are blurry. That is why I decided to try and take some pictures myself. All I have is an iPod 5 so I don't think I can take macro pictures. I do have a very nice microcamera but my mom refuses to let me try to take pictures of the fish with them in fear of me either dropping the camera or water getting on the camera. Still, I sure you I am not either hurting or trying to hurt my goldfish.

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They don't chase each other relentlessly and they do it every now and again. Four instance, ever since I got them every time I do a water change they tend to get really active and chase each other around. When you talk about longfins and short bodies like Tanchi for instance, he is a ribbontail. Ever since I got Machete "she" has grown in body and tail size. How is there any proof that it is from stunting? Many goldfish have large fins and I prefer goldfish with larger fins. In proportion to their body size, all of my goldfish have had the relatively same size of fins that they have now. Also, please do not think that this might be a stocking issue. They were alone until I consolidated two tanks. I am planning on upgrading them to either a 46 bowfront or a 55 gallon community.

That is great to hear! What I meant was that fins will continue growing when bodies do not. Even with a ribbon tail the bodies develop a certain shape. Your fish look small and like the bodies are underdeveloped based on fin size.

Stunting can happen in the store as well as in someone's tank. I hope this answers your question.

Since its not relentless its probably just food related or playful. My fish get excited when I do a water change as well :)

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The photobucket video works for me, and that looks like little bouts of aggression to me, not spawning behavior. Unfortunately this looks to be space related, heightened by the fact that food of some sort is involved and in smaller, crowded spaces food is at a premium.

Would it make a difference with the amount that I feed them? I make sure that everyone in the tank gets food daily and I also hand feed my goldfish every chance I get (usually daily or every other day).

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http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/18264-sex-of-goldfish/

There are thumbnails on this thread that you can compare your fish to to help determine the gender of them. I cannot tell the difference from the pics.

Can we please all respect her request as to what is discussed in this thread? Here is her words quoted as a reminder :)

Please don't talk about my tank size or the stocking of it. I've already been through it on this forum. I just want to the genders of my goldfish. Thank you for your time.

http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/106601-spawningsexing/page__p__1381494#entry1381494

Thank you. Also, I looked at the pictures but on my devices they are blurry. That is why I decided to try and take some pictures myself. All I have is an iPod 5 so I don't think I can take macro pictures. I do have a very nice microcamera but my mom refuses to let me try to take pictures of the fish with them in fear of me either dropping the camera or water getting on the camera. Still, I sure you I am not either hurting or trying to hurt my goldfish.

I didn't think you were trying to hurt them and I know you'd feel bad if you did so that's why I said it. Many cameras have a small loop of plastic or place to attach a lanyard to loop around your wrist. Maybe if you can loop it to yourself or move the fish out of the tank temporarily to a holding tank or container, she would let you get a photo?

I always loop my camera to my wrist because I'm terribly clumsy. It has gotten wet a few times but still works!

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The photobucket video works for me, and that looks like little bouts of aggression to me, not spawning behavior. Unfortunately this looks to be space related, heightened by the fact that food of some sort is involved and in smaller, crowded spaces food is at a premium.

Would it make a difference with the amount that I feed them? I make sure that everyone in the tank gets food daily and I also hand feed my goldfish every chance I get (usually daily or every other day).

Goldfish will eat as much as possible lol. They are little fatties and will almost always want more. With that said, the bellies do look a little small to me so you could maybe feed a little more?

What is your goldfish feeding schedule now?

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They don't chase each other relentlessly and they do it every now and again. Four instance, ever since I got them every time I do a water change they tend to get really active and chase each other around. When you talk about longfins and short bodies like Tanchi for instance, he is a ribbontail. Ever since I got Machete "she" has grown in body and tail size. How is there any proof that it is from stunting? Many goldfish have large fins and I prefer goldfish with larger fins. In proportion to their body size, all of my goldfish have had the relatively same size of fins that they have now. Also, please do not think that this might be a stocking issue. They were alone until I consolidated two tanks. I am planning on upgrading them to either a 46 bowfront or a 55 gallon community.

That is great to hear! What I meant was that fins will continue growing when bodies do not. Even with a ribbon tail the bodies develop a certain shape. Your fish look small and like the bodies are underdeveloped based on fin size.

Stunting can happen in the store as well as in someone's tank. I hope this answers your question.

Since its not relentless its probably just food related or playful. My fish get excited when I do a water change as well :)

I can understand that. When I got all of my fish, except for Ricochet, they were all in small aquariums. They have grown a lot since I got them, but I don't know if food quality plays a huge part in developing fish. I mean, I know it does, but I'm talking about a large amount of growth and goldfish. Machete was the size of a nickel when I got her, so she's grown a lot. I'm not sure if they're stunted, but if they are I don't know how to determine that either.

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They don't chase each other relentlessly and they do it every now and again. Four instance, ever since I got them every time I do a water change they tend to get really active and chase each other around. When you talk about longfins and short bodies like Tanchi for instance, he is a ribbontail. Ever since I got Machete "she" has grown in body and tail size. How is there any proof that it is from stunting? Many goldfish have large fins and I prefer goldfish with larger fins. In proportion to their body size, all of my goldfish have had the relatively same size of fins that they have now. Also, please do not think that this might be a stocking issue. They were alone until I consolidated two tanks. I am planning on upgrading them to either a 46 bowfront or a 55 gallon community.

That is great to hear! What I meant was that fins will continue growing when bodies do not. Even with a ribbon tail the bodies develop a certain shape. Your fish look small and like the bodies are underdeveloped based on fin size.

Stunting can happen in the store as well as in someone's tank. I hope this answers your question.

Since its not relentless its probably just food related or playful. My fish get excited when I do a water change as well :)

I can understand that. When I got all of my fish, except for Ricochet, they were all in small aquariums. They have grown a lot since I got them, but I don't know if food quality plays a huge part in developing fish. I mean, I know it does, but I'm talking about a large amount of growth and goldfish. Machete was the size of a nickel when I got her, so she's grown a lot. I'm not sure if they're stunted, but if they are I don't know how to determine that either.

That would be long fins, large eyes/pupils in relation to body size or potentially swimming issues. Many stunted fish grow tons and are healthy so I wouldn't worry about it. What do you feed these guys?

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The photobucket video works for me, and that looks like little bouts of aggression to me, not spawning behavior. Unfortunately this looks to be space related, heightened by the fact that food of some sort is involved and in smaller, crowded spaces food is at a premium.

Would it make a difference with the amount that I feed them? I make sure that everyone in the tank gets food daily and I also hand feed my goldfish every chance I get (usually daily or every other day).

Goldfish will eat as much as possible lol. They are little fatties and will almost always want more. With that said, the bellies do look a little small to me so you could maybe feed a little more?

What is your goldfish feeding schedule now?

Really? A little small. Hmm ... Well I feed them once or twice a day daily and due to my busy schedule they might fast for almost a week every other week. Every other fish of mine, including bettas, have the same feeding schedule. I see plenty of growth in all of my fish. How much would you suggest for the goldfish?

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The photobucket video works for me, and that looks like little bouts of aggression to me, not spawning behavior. Unfortunately this looks to be space related, heightened by the fact that food of some sort is involved and in smaller, crowded spaces food is at a premium.

Would it make a difference with the amount that I feed them? I make sure that everyone in the tank gets food daily and I also hand feed my goldfish every chance I get (usually daily or every other day).

Goldfish will eat as much as possible lol. They are little fatties and will almost always want more. With that said, the bellies do look a little small to me so you could maybe feed a little more?

What is your goldfish feeding schedule now?

Really? A little small. Hmm ... Well I feed them once or twice a day daily and due to my busy schedule they might fast for almost a week every other week. Every other fish of mine, including bettas, have the same feeding schedule. I see plenty of growth in all of my fish. How much would you suggest for the goldfish?

That means they're not being fed for half the month hon and definitely could be a problem. Most board members here feed a quality pelleted food daily as well as a gel food, veggies, or algae wafers as a second meal. Some fast their fish for one day a week. Bettas can live weeks without food but not goldfish.

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There are many food guides on this board but I will list some favorites: hikari goldfish pellets - many kinds, pro gold pelleted food made by goldfish connection. com, repashy super green and soilent green gel foods, available from our site sponsor tastyworms, blanched spinach, other cooked greens, oranges peeled and cut up.

I feed pro gold once a day and veggies or repashy soilent green at night. I do not fast my fish unless necessary.

You can also quite easily make your own gel food, there are many recipes on the forum. I like using repashy products because I'm lazy. You just add water, stir, and microwave :)

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They don't chase each other relentlessly and they do it every now and again. Four instance, ever since I got them every time I do a water change they tend to get really active and chase each other around. When you talk about longfins and short bodies like Tanchi for instance, he is a ribbontail. Ever since I got Machete "she" has grown in body and tail size. How is there any proof that it is from stunting? Many goldfish have large fins and I prefer goldfish with larger fins. In proportion to their body size, all of my goldfish have had the relatively same size of fins that they have now. Also, please do not think that this might be a stocking issue. They were alone until I consolidated two tanks. I am planning on upgrading them to either a 46 bowfront or a 55 gallon community.

That is great to hear! What I meant was that fins will continue growing when bodies do not. Even with a ribbon tail the bodies develop a certain shape. Your fish look small and like the bodies are underdeveloped based on fin size.

Stunting can happen in the store as well as in someone's tank. I hope this answers your question.

Since its not relentless its probably just food related or playful. My fish get excited when I do a water change as well :)

I can understand that. When I got all of my fish, except for Ricochet, they were all in small aquariums. They have grown a lot since I got them, but I don't know if food quality plays a huge part in developing fish. I mean, I know it does, but I'm talking about a large amount of growth and goldfish. Machete was the size of a nickel when I got her, so she's grown a lot. I'm not sure if they're stunted, but if they are I don't know how to determine that either.

That would be long fins, large eyes/pupils in relation to body size or potentially swimming issues. Many stunted fish grow tons and are healthy so I wouldn't worry about it. What do you feed these guys?

In response to what I feed them. xD

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj558/bk_1125/B72A630F-F897-44A7-97BD-DFBED3FF5A1E-226-000000197CEC7FEB.mp4

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The photobucket video works for me, and that looks like little bouts of aggression to me, not spawning behavior. Unfortunately this looks to be space related, heightened by the fact that food of some sort is involved and in smaller, crowded spaces food is at a premium.

Would it make a difference with the amount that I feed them? I make sure that everyone in the tank gets food daily and I also hand feed my goldfish every chance I get (usually daily or every other day).

Goldfish will eat as much as possible lol. They are little fatties and will almost always want more. With that said, the bellies do look a little small to me so you could maybe feed a little more?

What is your goldfish feeding schedule now?

Really? A little small. Hmm ... Well I feed them once or twice a day daily and due to my busy schedule they might fast for almost a week every other week. Every other fish of mine, including bettas, have the same feeding schedule. I see plenty of growth in all of my fish. How much would you suggest for the goldfish?

That means they're not being fed for half the month hon and definitely could be a problem. Most board members here feed a quality pelleted food daily as well as a gel food, veggies, or algae wafers as a second meal. Some fast their fish for one day a week. Bettas can live weeks without food but not goldfish.

I know that it's important to feed them. Could I set up an automated feeder with mixed foods in it for them? By hectic schedule, I mean that I'm not around my tanks for a week at a time. I feel horrible now and I want to do what's best for my fish (by that I mean I'm willing to try and do whatever I can for my fish, not give them away).

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The photobucket video works for me, and that looks like little bouts of aggression to me, not spawning behavior. Unfortunately this looks to be space related, heightened by the fact that food of some sort is involved and in smaller, crowded spaces food is at a premium.

Would it make a difference with the amount that I feed them? I make sure that everyone in the tank gets food daily and I also hand feed my goldfish every chance I get (usually daily or every other day).

Goldfish will eat as much as possible lol. They are little fatties and will almost always want more. With that said, the bellies do look a little small to me so you could maybe feed a little more?

What is your goldfish feeding schedule now?

Really? A little small. Hmm ... Well I feed them once or twice a day daily and due to my busy schedule they might fast for almost a week every other week. Every other fish of mine, including bettas, have the same feeding schedule. I see plenty of growth in all of my fish. How much would you suggest for the goldfish?

That means they're not being fed for half the month hon and definitely could be a problem. Most board members here feed a quality pelleted food daily as well as a gel food, veggies, or algae wafers as a second meal. Some fast their fish for one day a week. Bettas can live weeks without food but not goldfish.

I know that it's important to feed them. Could I set up an automated feeder with mixed foods in it for them? By hectic schedule, I mean that I'm not around my tanks for a week at a time. I feel horrible now and I want to do what's best for my fish (by that I mean I'm willing to try and do whatever I can for my fish, not give them away).

Yes, you can set up an auto feeder, but I have concerns because how will you know who is eating the food? Also, although you have been supposedly able to maintain water quality, more food will mean more poop, ammonia etc.

The best thing for your goldfish is a bigger tank with just them in it and consistent feedings and clean water. I know you say you are working on it, just wanted to reiterate why it is so important :)

Goldfish are high ammonia producing, large fish, and need to be in an environment that accommodates that. Bettas for example, produce very little ammonia and can not eat for long periods of time. Goldfish are natural grazers with short intestinal tracts. They grow extremely fast and large if fed correctly.

This is why your fish are smaller and more agressive. A larger tank for just them and an automated feeder would work great. I'd recommend a high quality pelleted food. You won't be able to put gel food, bloodworms or anything else in there because of the moisture that would rot your food. I recommend hikari pellets or pro gold from goldfishconnection.com.

Even keeping them in the smaller tank but moving then other fish would help eliminate aggression and feeding issues.

We're here to help! My fish had flukes and my tanks were overstocked when I first came. By listening to others and making small but important changes I have great healthy fish :) You can too.

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