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Jasesun

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Looking for some advice. My goldfish has developed some small red sores underneath his scales just behind his gills. These have made him swell up and some of his scales have started to pinecone.

He has been ok in him self and been eating fine until today. He has spent must of the day at the top of the tank and keeps spitting his food out. He has has something similar before that ended up as blisters and he lost a few scales as a result of it but although I initially thought this was the same i am beginning to have doubts.

Have now put him in a hospital tank with a view to getting some advice from local aquatic centre tomorrow.

Any help at this time would be greatly appreciated.

Link to last visit.

http://www.kokosgold...52#entry1226152

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  • *Ammonia Level (tank): Zero
  • * Nitrite Level (tank): Zero
  • * Nitrate level (Tank): 60 ppm
  • * Ammonia Level (Tap): Zero
  • * Nitrite Level (Tap): Zero
  • * Nitrate level (Tap): 60 ppm
  • * Ph Level, (Tank) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
  • * Ph Level, (Tap) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

Brand of test kit used: API Freshwater Test kit (Drops)

Name and size of filter: Fluval U2

Water additives: Interpet Tapsafe

Water Temperature: 20/21 C 68/70 F

How often do you change water and how much: 20% of tank every week. So 16 litre water change

Last water change: This morning

Tank size: 83 Litres/ 21 US Gallons

How many fish in tank and size 2x Goldy 3/4 inches long

Food and how often: Tetra Goldfish flakes. Twice aday.

Fish & Medications added to tank: None

No unsual findings or behavior just as normal as they have always been.

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It looks like dropsy to me. Do you have access to any metro meds or powder, epsom salts and a heater??

One of the mods should be along shortly to further advise you, but the items I listed are essential for treating dropsy so you can start looking :)

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yes, it's definitely dropsy.. and the bacteria/infection seems to be quite advanced, showing signs of illness all over the body :( you're going to need antibiotics really fast. do you have any at hand?

here are the 3 spots of concern i see on this side that indicate bacteria/infection:

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in our experience with these symptoms at kokos, the most successful antibiotic to treat with is Metronidazole. it's not available in the UK without prescription by a doctor for yourself or from a Vet. first, have a look in the medicine cabinet. Metronidazole is globally, one of the favoured medicines to treat flu/infections within humans. it's fast acting.

if you can't find the medication by Monday afternoon, please post back, i have supplied this medicine to a trustworthy koko member. for £6, we can send you 4 tablets on an overnight - 2 days mail service. with this medicine, we can make medicated gelfood so that you can feed to your fish.

here is an article i wrote on the symptoms of dropsy so that you can have a better understanding of what's happening to your fish and what's required to treat:

http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/page/index.html/_/disease-information/dropsy-updated-2012-r330

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Hi guys sorry for the late reply and thanks for the advice.

Have been to my local aquate center and explained the problem and some of the medications you have suggested.

They hadn't heard of Metronidazole although he did prescribe me some myxazin which I have been using this past week and the infection seems to have cleared up.

Cake is still swollen and therefore still looks like a pinecone however I managed to get hold of some epsom salts which I have put in now yesterday and today after a 100% water change and I am hopeing this will relive the swelling.

He is still of his food and pretty much just sits at the bottom of tank with the occasional sprint to the top to propel himself across the length of the tank with his head out of the water (very strange to watch). At first i thought this was to do with not enough oxygen in the water so i have now dropped an air brick in to mazimise the aeration, he hasn't stopped doing it but it is less frequent. (Any ideas)

With regard to the epsom salts do I need to carry out a 100% water change every day before adding the salts or do i need to do small water changes and add the equivalent amount of salts to the water being added?

Any other advice greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Jasesun

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You can do smaller water changes (provided his tank is ammonia and nitrite free) and just add back the amount of Epsom you took out with water changes.

I'm not sure what you mean that the infection has cleared up, but that he is still swollen and pineconed. :(

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Thanks for the reply. What I mean with regard to the infection and the bloating is that the red sores shown in the photographs above seem to have healed (infection cleared up) but he is still swollen due to what I believe is water retention caused by the infection which I hope the epsom salts will draw out of him.......or have I got this all to cock.

I got the impression that dropsy was a symptom of an underlying infection. Sort the infection and the symptoms should sort them selves out with the help of Epsom salts.

Please correct me if this is wrong.

Cheers

J.

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Thanks for the clarification. :)

You are right in that if you sort out the infection, the symptoms will soon follow. However, dropsy is internal, and most externally applied meds will not have an effect on internal resolution of the infection. Given that he is still pineconed and bloated, I don't think that the infection has cleared. I think that the Myxazin has helped to clear the external infection, though.

The Epsom may help to decrease a bit of the bloating, but I do not think that it will fully resolve the issue. :(

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It's not easy at first, but there are ways. You can try to syringe feed him, or you can put the meds in the water, at least with metro, although when applied to the water, it's with diminished effectiveness.

Is your fish not eating?

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No not eating anything at the moment. Although he is getting a bit more lively as the days go on and his eyes aren,t popped anymore. So fingers crossed he's slowly recovering.

J.

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How large is the hospital tank? Do you have a cycled filter running on it?

The sooner you are able to get a hold of the metro the better chances he will have for recovery :)

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OK Time for an update.

Have been using epsom salts for the last week now and he is still bloated. I think I may give the metronidazole a go. Although he is not eating he doesn't seem to be stressed in any way although he tends to be more active when the waters warmer.

Will be getting a bigger tank and heater tomorrow as I think the one I have may be a bit small and i think hes going to take a bit of time to recover from this. May as well make him comfortable.

Could someone supply me with some Metronidazole please.

Many thanks

J.

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OK Time for an update.

Have been using epsom salts for the last week now and he is still bloated. I think I may give the metronidazole a go. Although he is not eating he doesn't seem to be stressed in any way although he tends to be more active when the waters warmer.

Will be getting a bigger tank and heater tomorrow as I think the one I have may be a bit small and i think hes going to take a bit of time to recover from this. May as well make him comfortable.

Could someone supply me with some Metronidazole please.

Many thanks

J.

I will PM Stakos right now and let her know you need the meds, someone will be back in touch with you for further details on this.

8 days is the recommended max time period for treating with epsom, so you'll want to think about removing the epsom from the water sometime soon.

When was the last time he ate? Is he interested in food at all?

Any chance we could get updated pics of the pineconing?

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Ok thanks Tithra. Not interested in food at all, last ate approx two weeks ago now. Hospital tank currently 15 litres. Getting a 20/25 litre tank tomorrow.

Thanks.

J.

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Ok thanks Tithra. Not interested in food at all, last ate approx two weeks ago now. Hospital tank currently 15 litres. Getting a 20/25 litre tank tomorrow.

Thanks.

J.

Okay, you are going to need to get some food into him. 2 weeks is too long without food.

Please go to your local pharmacy and ask for a syringe (for medicine - without a needle). You can then attempt to syringe feed food to him to at least get something in him.

Any way you can get closer to a 37 liter tank? Your tank is quite small, and I worry about toxins building up quickly in the water which can add further stress and impede recovery. You can also use a large plastic storge bin/container (like what you would use to store clothing etc.) - these can be bought more cheaply than glass tanks. Please keep a close eye on water quality until then and do daily water changes or more frequently if necessary. Ammonia/nitrite should always be 0, nitrate should be 5-10 ppm (I see it is 60ppm above).

Here is a video that shows how to syringe feed. Instead of peas/epsom, you will use whatever food you typically feed. Let the food disintegrate into a little water until it is a consistency that can be sucked up and fed through the syringe. Please let us know if you need further instruction with this.

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Ok thank you for the advice. I have moved him into a 30 litre food grade bucket until I get the new tank tomorrow.

I will also get a syringe and try feeding him.

With regard to the water I always try and keep the ammonia and nitrites down but the nitrates I am lucky to get below 50 ppm at the tap and have been using bottled water and bringing water home from work which is a bit better (I work about 130 miles away so it's a different source).

Thanks again

J.

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Ok thank you for the advice. I have moved him into a 30 litre food grade bucket until I get the new tank tomorrow.

I will also get a syringe and try feeding him.

With regard to the water I always try and keep the ammonia and nitrites down but the nitrates I am lucky to get below 50 ppm at the tap and have been using bottled water and bringing water home from work which is a bit better (I work about 130 miles away so it's a different source).

Thanks again

J.

If the tank you are getting tomorrow is smaller than 30 liters, it will be better to keep him in the 30 liter tub.

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if you can't find the medication by Monday afternoon, please post back, i have supplied this medicine to a trustworthy koko member. for £6, we can send you 4 tablets on an overnight - 2 days mail service. with this medicine, we can make medicated gelfood so that you can feed to your fish.

hello Jaseun, i am sorry that Cake is still not doing well. as quoted above, if you're are wanting us to dispatch Meds we previously discussed, my paypal address is sparez@bigpond.net.au. please make sure that your postal details are correct with paypal before you forward payment.

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