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Hi there. I see someone else in the forum is also currently dealing with this but need to start my own topic as everyone is different.

First off your questions:


    Test Results for the Following:
  • * Ammonia Level (tank): 0
  • * Nitrite Level (tank): 0
  • * Nitrate level (Tank): 20
  • * Ammonia Level (Tap): Unsure
  • * Nitrite Level (Tap): Unsure
  • * Nitrate level (Tap): Unsure
  • * Ph Level, (Tank) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): Ph is 7.6, always 7.6
  • * Ph Level, (Tap) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): Unsure
    Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API Liquid test
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aqua One, meant for a 150L tank
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime, Stability, Bactonex and API liquid fertiliser for my plants
  • * Water temperature? Hovering between 26-30 celsius past week. Which is 78-86F.
  • * How often do you change the water and how much? Every 2-3 weeks, about 50%

  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? It was on Friday so 5 days ago and I changed about 60%
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? It is 90 litres or 20 gallons and it's been running for 2 years
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 goldfish, one comet (the sick one) is about 5 inches and the other a common is 3 inches
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Vegetables, pellets, dried seaweed, freeze dried worms, algae wafers and only once a day.
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? No
  • * Any medications added to the tank? No
  • * List previous issues experienced (dropsy, SBD, etc.)

Currently experiencing what I believe to be dropsy. This fish always seems to get quite sick in summer and have dealt with red blotches and streaks over the past 3 summers. There is slight swelling just have the gills and a bit of pine coneing.

  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

No, had some red blotches maybe at the start of the week but this seems to be normal for the fish and does not affect her adversely.

  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

No unusual behaviour at all, still very active, eating and happy fish!

  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

In the past I tried to treat the red blotches with everything under the moon from aquarium salt to tetracycline based medications. I have not treated the fish tank with anything in a year, some aquarium salt may be in there though.

  • * You can really help us to identify with the concern more accurately if you post some pictures and a short video.

I will definitely be posting photos or a video very soon!

I have a major problem as I do not have a hospital tank nor are antibiotic foods available in Australia or able to be posted here as far as I know. I have tried to make my own in the past but wouldn't even know what to soak the food in this time.

Please help, I'm devastated. My fish is acting so happy and if you didn't look closely you wouldn't even notice the swelling.

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Please check your tap water, as well, and we await your photos/video.

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I wasn't too sure how to upload a video so I uploaded it onto youtube.

Here it is:

You can see it when I go above the fish, it's the orange one we are looking at.

If you look here too, you can see some old photos of Sunshine the fish, when was sick with red blotches [link removed by DNAlex]

Will get onto testing my tap water, but have never had problems with fluctuating tank results.

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Welcome to the forum!

The video was pretty dark. Could you put your fish in a separate container (e.g. a small clear tupperware) in a well lit room and take a few top view pictures so we can get a clear image of what is going on?

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Andrea,

May I ask why the link you provided is one of a Googles image search? There were some pics on that search the contained highly inappropriate images for a forum that has members of all ages.

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Sorry it was a bit dark. I had all my curtains closed I had just woken up, I opened them and hopefully this one is much better!

Best viewed in full screen :)

I just don't want to move her for now to avoid as much stress as possible!

I also have a vet near me that say they do treat aquatic life including fish. They are a specialist vet, I take my birds there. I think I should give them a call? I have no idea how much they know about fish, but it won't hurt.

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Andrea,

May I ask why the link you provided is one of a Googles image search? There were some pics on that search the contained highly inappropriate images for a forum that has members of all ages.

Sorry. I'll delete it. It was because the forum I had it on, seems to be down, but it was coming up on google image search.

(I see you deleted it, I did not think correctly.)

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See if you could give the actual links to the pics, instead of a broad Google search. :)

If you can talk to the vet, ask him/her to prescribe you metronidazole. We can help you with the rest. :)

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See if you could give the actual links to the pics, instead of a broad Google search. :)

They are uploaded on photobucket but don't appear when I go into the link.

However, this may just be my slow laptop.

Here it goes:

http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k597/Andrea-Cronshaw/IMG_0216.jpg

Remember these are old photos, I think 2 years old, but what I deal with every summer. I no longer treat it as it does not seem to affect the fish and nothing worked anyway. I thought it might just be a heat rash as if humans can get this, why not fish?

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I can see the pic, thank you.

For treatment of dropsy, you will need metronidazole. For that, you will need the help of your vet. Once you have it, we can proceed with treatment, by making it into medicated gel food :)

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Ok, I am going to go buy some epsom salts and give my vet a call.

Thanks for the help!

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Go ahead and get Epsom, but since you can't QT, it's not good to treat the healthy fish unnecessarily. Morever, there is little to no bloating, so Epsom really isn't necessary at this time.

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Oh really? Ok, I was going to try a salt bath. But is this more stress than necessary at the moment? I'll buy some just in case, but won't treat just yet.

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There is salt, and Epsom salt. Neither of which will be helpful at the moment.

You need metronidazole. :)

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A salt bath with aquarium salt would be detrimental to a fish with dropsy. Salt baths are not recommended with Epsom . . .

Dropsy is an internal issue and salt dips/baths are more for external problems (external parasites,etc).

Edit: sniped by Alex :D

Edited by fantailfan1

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Oh I did mean epsom salt, but I won't do that then. Ah so much to know and learn :(

I called the vet and I've made an appointment to take her up there in 2 and a half hours. The bloating seems to be more on one side and she is still very happy. The vet is only 10 minutes away so fingers crossed, I am so glad I have them.

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Ok so an update.

Took Sunshine to the vet and they believed it to be a bacterial infection from the heat seeing as water seems to be fine. They have given me a liquid antibiotic, I mix this in with some water and put it in a bucket with an airstone. I now have Sunshine in that for 5 hours and must do this every day for 5 hours for 5 days.

The things you have to do when antibiotic food is not an option!

The antibiotic is called enrotril. I am to call them back if no improvement in 2 days.

Fingers crossed!

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A salt bath with aquarium salt would be detrimental to a fish with dropsy. Salt baths are not recommended with Epsom . . .

Dropsy is an internal issue and salt dips/baths are more for external problems (external parasites,etc).

Edit: sniped by Alex :D

Epsom Salt and Aquarium Salts can be used together under normal circumstances with no problems, as Epsom Salt can be used to treat other issues other than dropsy :) . we do not recommend that Aquarium Salt be used at the time of dropsy, because what we're trying to do is get that fluid retention out of the fish's body. Aquarium salt further encourages fluid retention when the problem already exists. :)

on the odd occasion where we can confirm 100% that the dropsy fish is suffering from a severe parasite infestation, a very quick salt dip can be made even though Epsom is being used in QT to treat dropsy. but generally, we do not add aquarium salt to the QT for continuing treatment. it's only for the dip. :)

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A salt bath with aquarium salt would be detrimental to a fish with dropsy. Salt baths are not recommended with Epsom . . .

Dropsy is an internal issue and salt dips/baths are more for external problems (external parasites,etc).

Edit: sniped by Alex :D

Epsom Salt and Aquarium Salts can be used together under normal circumstances with no problems, as Epsom Salt can be used to treat other issues other than dropsy :) . we do not recommend that Aquarium Salt be used at the time of dropsy, because what we're trying to do is get that fluid retention out of the fish's body. Aquarium salt further encourages fluid retention when the problem already exists. :)

on the odd occasion where we can confirm 100% that the dropsy fish is suffering from a severe parasite infestation, a very quick salt dip can be made even though Epsom is being used in QT to treat dropsy. but generally, we do not add aquarium salt to the QT for continuing treatment. it's only for the dip. :)

What I was trying to say (not very effectively :D ) is that you don't do a salt dip USING Epsom in the water even for a fish with dropsy. Aquarium salt for salt dips/baths, Epsom at 1/4 tsp per 10 gallons for dropsy. Does that make sense? Sorry for the confusion. :)

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Unfortunately, this is one of those times where the knowledge of actual goldfish keepers surpass that of the vet. Enrotril is also known as Baytril. It has been used to treat dropsy, with mixed results. Metronidazole is the much better agent of choice, and it would be better fed, which we would have been able to show you to prepare.

I hope that you will get good results. :)

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Unfortunately, this is one of those times where the knowledge of actual goldfish keepers surpass that of the vet. Enrotril is also known as Baytril. It has been used to treat dropsy, with mixed results. Metronidazole is the much better agent of choice, and it would be better fed, which we would have been able to show you to prepare.

I hope that you will get good results. :)

I guess it is a matter of what is also available too? Not saying the other thing wasn't but you never know.

I was also looking at this article just before, and it was saying it is not dropsy unless every scale is 'pine conned'. Sunshine's definitely isn't, but I don't know if this is true or not?

I'm to call the vet if I see no improvement in 2 days, which will be in 24 hours. Sunshine is currently getting her second treatment and is still one happy fish, but still a bloated one :(

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I don't think that definition of dropsy is correct. Most (if not all) of the time dropsy starts out with some scales raised (symmetrically on both sides of body) and gradually progresses until all the scales are raised. Your fish might just be somewhere along that progression. If it was just one very small part of the fish where some scales were raised, and it was not symmetrical on both sides, then I would not call that dropsy.

I tried to treat dropsy with batril (injections) once on the advice of a well-respected fish vet. Unfortunately the baytril had absolutely no effect.

With metronidazole, most people see at least some improvement.

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Hmm my fish doesn't have symmetrical bloating, one side is much more bloated.

I'll see what happens with this antibiotic and may ask about metronidazole if it does not work. Fingers crossed it does though!

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Good luck! Yes, if you don't see it working I would definitely ask about metronidazole. If not please ask them to fully explain why :)

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here is an article i wrote for you to read on Dropsy: http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/page/index.html/_/disease-information/dropsy-updated-2012-r330

if the Vet will not prescribe metronidazole for any reason or is being difficult, i can supply 6 tablets with Express Post for $15 into my account. let me know.

if you need to be supplied by me, i will require you to email me: sparez@bigpond.net.au this email is purely for the exchange of Metro and money as well as postal details, all concerns regarding the condition of your fish will be discussed here :)

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