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Here is a photo of poor Basil. It does not seem to be affecting behaviour, but just started with Basil this morning & has been getting worse. It is now affecting Scooby too. Both Scooby & Basil have been off their food for a while & not getting their internal meds.

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We still running the tank at a slightly increased temperature for the Ich. 21.7°C (71°F) at the moment. Still treating with Goldmeds & Seachem Prime.

Peas for lunchtime, Mango & Basil ate well, Scooby was interested & ate a few mouthfuls, spitting out some of what he ate.

Most recent water change of 75% was about 20 hours ago.

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We are doing another 75% water change now, in case Seachem Prime doesn't do what it's claimed to do. Currently intending to go back to 75% water change every 12 hours unless advised otherwise.

It is late Saturday afternoon here. Within an hour all shops are closing & will be opening on Monday. We therefore have a window of only an hour if we need anything.

Basil is starting to look bloated in his body.

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I checked that thread thanks. It's a shame that the thread did not complete. All the photos are not that great, but our symptoms do not look like the OPs, they do look a little like Koko's photo. To be sure, we would need larger or clearer photos.

We have done a 75% water change & re-dosed with Goldmeds. We have not dosed back with Seachem Prime as I am not convinced that this works as advertised. If recommended, we will use the Prime. I am concerned that we may have the popeye symptoms due to the ammonia in the water which should have been handled by Prime.

All fish are currently in the 90 litre quarantine tank with a non-functional cycle having been zapped by the Goldmeds. We had reduced the water changes to 75% every 24 hours & used Prime. We will now revert to a 75% change every 12 hours without Prime unless advised otherwise. We re-dose Goldmeds after each water change.

We are on day 7 of the Goldmeds treatment. The instructions say that if treating Ich, The treatment should be for at least "10-15 days". It actually states to "repeat" the treatment every 5 days for 10-15 days. It expects that we are doing 20% water changes every 5 days. As we are water changing every day & re-dosing, I suspect that the treatment we are giving is stronger as it is not having time to degrade. The Goldmeds also treat "skin & gill parasites, finrot, fungus & wounds". If treating for these, we should repeat treatment every 7 days until symptoms are gone.

The main tank is currently being seeded daily with 2ppm ammonia to maintain the cycle. Right at this moment, the main tank is showing ammonia 1ppm, nitrites 1ppm. The main tank has been empty of fish for 7 days.

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Please keep feeding the medicated gel food. The metro in it should help with the popeye. If that doesn't work we can try something a little more aggressive, but given that a couple of them haven't been eating the med food I think we should start there.

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The popeye is not the result of ammonia. What you are seeing is more likely the result of the internal issues going on that haven't been being treated due to the fish refusing medicated food.

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Understood Tithra, thank you.

I will redose with Prime.

Mango has no popeye & she has been eating med food all the time.She has eaten med food for 11 days.

Basil has the worse popeye, he initially was not eating, but started eating med food yesterday. Today he has wanted to eat, but spits most of it out.

Scooby has eaten very little med food at all. For the past few days, he has been trying some, them spitting it out. He will be getting some fragments.

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Understood Tithra, thank you.

I will redose with Prime.

Mango has no popeye & she has been eating med food all the time.She has eaten med food for 11 days.

Basil has the worse popeye, he initially was not eating, but started eating med food yesterday. Today he has wanted to eat, but spits most of it out.

Scooby has eaten very little med food at all. For the past few days, he has been trying some, them spitting it out. He will be getting some fragments.

Okay, lets keep trying the med food for now with Basil and Scooby. Did we talk about syringe feeding earlier in this thread? This is one possible route to go if they continue to refuse the meds. For now you can offer several times a day, even if they eat a little each time that is better than nothing.

We'll want to reassess mango in about 3 days. A minimum of 14 days is recommended for the med food, but we can go up to 30 if we feel like she needs a little more time on it.

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Mango is doing well. I am expecting that if Scooby & Basil get ill again, Mango may become aggressive as last time. Also when feeding, she eats much faster than the others. We can place her in a net when feeding Basil & Mango or once we are happy that she needs no more Goldmeds, we can put her in the main tank.

We did not really discuss syringe feeding. They are generally trying the food & spitting it out.

As Scooby & Basil are happy to at least try to eat peas, we are right this moment making up some Agar med food with peas & dried baby brine shrimp granules. Once the food is prepared, we would prefer to leave the food for an hour or so to see if Basil & Scooby will eat it. During that time we may decide to put Mango in a net, otherwise she will eat everything.

How much time do we have with the popeye problem?

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We fed the new pea med food tonight. We first put Mango in a met & fed her separately, she ate quickly. While catching Mango, Scooby was initially bottom-sitting, which he has not done for a week. He then started flashing & some jerky movements until settling after a minute or so. Basil was interested in the food & ate well. Scooby had a little look at the food & then had no interest in it at all. After 10 mins, we let out Mango as she really didn't like being in the net & Basil had finished up all the food. Mango then took over the bottom of the tank checking for food scraps. We noticed that Basil joined her to check for scraps, but each time, she seemed to push him out of the way. She didn't attack with her mouth, just semi aggressively going to exactly the same place that Basil went.

Now 5 minutes later, Scooby tried to check the bottom for food, but Mango pushed him away. Mango seems to have taken over the bottom of the tank now & won't let Scooby or Basil to the bottom. We will now try to feed Scooby in a net.

Scooby is in the net & entirely uninterested in the food. We will try him with his favourite pellets.

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Scooby didn't eat anything in the net so we have now let him out. Basil is feeling unwell & hiding by the filter. We let Scooby out of the net & watched the tank. The activity woke them all & Mango has started chasing both Basil & Scooby. At the moment, she is mainly chasing them away from the bottom of the tank. We are not sure what to do tonight.

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The aggression from Mango appears to have got less over the past few minutes. She was occasionally flashing & jerking, like Scooby was doing earlier. Now she has calmed down, the jerking has stopped, as has the aggression. Scooby is very quiet, he keeps away from Mango & at the moment has a clear stringy poop on it's way. Basil is a little active, but his body is swollen & his head also looks swollen. Both Basil & Scooby's popeye looks the same. When we turned on the room light, Basil was by the filter, he looked to be listing slightly to one side. He seems ok now that he has been swimming around hunting for food. Basil's scales appear that they may be starting to raise, just behind his gills. It's a slight rippling, very difficult to call. Scooby is still uninterested in food.

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Night time now. Scooby's head is getting a little swollen. Mango's aggression has calmed down.

Good night little people, sleep well & please be stronger tomorrow.

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We were up at 4am to check the fish & pH. We added some bi-carb. All the fish were sleepy, but Mango & Basil became active, Scooby not so much.

This morning, Mango & Basil asking for food & eating well. Another bi-carb fix. Popeye on both Scooby & Basil looks the same.

Scooby is not well at all he ignored the food completely. When I went to the tank he was bottom sitting & after movement from the others, he moved a little, but was being blown around the tank for a short while. He then mainly used his pectorals to adjust position. After a minute or two, he started jerky flashing random movements before finding a corner near the filter. His dorsal is up & externally, he does look too bad.

I feel that we are close to losing Scooby. From his actions & comparing them to others we have lost, he may be on his last day. Would a bath of metro help?

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Urgent!

Scooby needs help. He has no interest in food, if we need to syringe food, how do we do this exactly please? Do we feed him in a bowl, or on a wet towel? Do we syringe regular med food, or make a new watery soup of maybe meds & some dried brine shrimp & garlic?

Would a met bath help? Do we do that in a bowl or a bucket? There may be a shop open today, can we buy another small tank if he needs a longer treatment?

The video shows Scooby this morning, he has got worse. He is moving to avoid the other fish, but they are not being aggressive to him yet.

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