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Reoccurring floating & skinny problem

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* Ammonia Level: 0

* Nitrite Level:0

* Nitrate level: 5

* Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines):8.0

* Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): 7.2

Other Required Info:

* Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API drops

* Water temperature? 80F

* Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? tank is 90 gals, been running for 3 years

* What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? It a sump that came with the tank (Not sure- it just says made by Little Giant Pump Co, type U21B )

* How often do you change the water and how much? Usually 50% weekly, last few months it’s been every 2-3 weeks, did a 50% last Saturday and 60% on Thursday

* How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Thursday, 60%

* How many fish in the tank and their size? 3 comets, 4-5 inches excluding tail

* What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime

* What do you feed your fish and how often? daily, homemade gel food, NLS pellets (though cutting that out now), shrimp, blanched greens, frozen bloodworm-brine shrimp mix

* Any new fish added to the tank? No

* Any medications added to the tank? No

* List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

In May: a few weeks gel food with metro, 3 days for 4 weeks jungle ant-parasite food

* Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
no

* Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? difficulty swimming down due to floatiness; skinnyess despite eating; occasional headstanding and shimmying (body sways side to side when staying still)

My comets have been having ongoing issues with floatiness and skinnyness. Feeding jungle anti-parasite food last time helped but its becoming an issue again. All the fish are still skinny (they filled out a little bit after the round of jungle food but not much). My dad has been feeding the fish (NLS pellets) for me during the week for the past 2-3 months- he says he has not seen any floating even with the pellets. This week however, the one goldie is getting floaty again after feeding. (With NLS it starts 5 min after feeding vs with gel food it is delayed to a few hours after feeding). Also, now the other two are having occasional head standing (I see this at night mostly).

Videos:

Floating goldie

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These were taken tonight with the lights out (sorry, I don't know how to turn the videos)

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I’m feeding gel food now which has helped, but the one fish still floats a few hours after feeding. This morning, it started 2 hours after feeding and is still happening now. He is usually ok again the next morning. He doesn't get floaty with the blanched spinach/greens or frozen bloodworm-brine shrimp (which I feed on the weekends).

I’m not that good with diagnosis so wanted some input on what this is as well as what to do. Is it an internal issue- still a parasite, maybe mixed with a bacterial problem (b/c of the headstanding)?

I’ve put in an order for repashy last week and I’ve also got an order of flubendazole flake food (for my skinny betta but also for the goldies) on the way if that will help. I was also thinking of doing prazi+salt again.

Meds I have on hand now:

Prazi pro

Salt

Metro powder (have a bit left over from last time)

Triple sulfa

Thanks- appreciate any input/thoughts

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I do think that eventually we will want to go with medicated food, which I will need to research a bit to see. If you can get powdered praziquantel, then it's even better :)

The fish is quite a bit skinnier that I'd like to see.

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Just curious but isn't 80 a bit warm? Is there a specific reason to keep them that hot?

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No specific reason, other than that's the only temp the tank will stay at (the pump generates a lot of heat)..I would like to make the water cooler if I could, but they've been ok with it so far. :S

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Anyone? -not sure what to use for med food. I'm planning to do the prazi after the repashy arrives so the nerite won't starve (I read that prazi may kill nerites so going to put it in a spare tank) I suppose they will be ok until then?

Noticed a red spot/streak on the tail on 2 of them tonight- really hope it's not an infection :(

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I'd like to make a medicated gel food that contains Praziquantel, metronidazole, and fenbendazole. Do you think you can get powdered prazi, and fenbendazole. The latter is a canine/feline dewormer, which you can buy at most pet shops.

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Thanks dnalex! I think I can get powdered prazi online. For the fenbendazole, is there a certain brand name that it is sold under?

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There are only two brands that I can think of, in the US. There is Panacur, which I think is prescription only. There is also Safe-Guard, which is available at the pet stores here without prescription.

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I get panacur at tractor supply to deworm my tortoise, it's in the livestock area. Most feed stores should have it, if you can't find anything at a pet store.

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I get panacur at tractor supply to deworm my tortoise, it's in the livestock area. Most feed stores should have it, if you can't find anything at a pet store.

Oh, thanks! I didn't know that. :)

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Doing some google searching..I think panacur may not be available to ship to Canada..but I was able to find safeguard on amazon- is this what I need?

http://www.amazon.co...d=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Does anyone know where I can find smaller amounts of powdered praziquantel? I know fish sempai sells it but the smallest size is 25g and I don't think I need that much.

Thanks a lot guys :)

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That is the product we are looking for. I wonder if you can look at other online places or eBay for lesser quantities. You definitely do not need that much.

I'd like to go back and explain why we are going with the mixture of meds. Given the recurrent floatiness, it could very well be issues with internal infections of the SB, or excess gas production in the gut. The other thing that is of concern is how skinny the fish is. All of these points to the possibility of internal parasites, which is why the mixture of metronidazole and two deworming agents are good here. :)

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Cool, thanks for the detailed explanation :)

I found these praziquantel capsules-would that work?

http://www.amazon.co...t/dp/B000IZRXFW

How much of each med do I use and how long to feed? My order of repashy came today (yay) and we got a digital food scale this year, so I can measure out things more accurately now :)

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