Regular Member dancingclown Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 BunJ started flashing, like maybe she had flukes, but then bottom sat, and looked like she couldn't breath, and is now lying sideways on the ground. I'm not sure if there's something stuck in her mouth - we're going to take her out and take a look. She was fine earlier. We have videos, but it's taking a long time to upload. She looks semi-conscious right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member LovelyChaos Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Could you fill this out for us please? (; Test Results for the Following: * Ammonia Level (tank): * Nitrite Level (tank) * Nitrate level (Tank) * Ammonia Level (Tap): * Nitrite Level (Tap) * Nitrate level (Tap) * Ph Level, (Tank) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) * Ph Level, (Tap) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)Other Required Info: * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? * What kind of water additives or conditioners? * Water temperature? * How often do you change the water and how much? * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? * How many fish in the tank and their size? * What do you feed your fish and how often? * Any new fish added to the tank? * Any medications added to the tank? * List previous issues experienced (dropsy, SBD, etc.) * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. * You can really help us to identify with the concern more accurately if you post some pictures and a short video. Edited September 21, 2012 by LovelyChaos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member GreenTea Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 Very scary. I'm sorry this is happening. Please fill out that form and the experts will be here shortly I'm sure. There's no poisons or anything that got in the tank accidentally like cleaning agents or anything? One time I lost a fish like this because a cousin had dumped chemicals into the tank while I was gone - I came back in and the fish did as you described and then passed. A water change may be in order. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dancingclown Posted September 21, 2012 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Test Results for the Following: * Ammonia Level (tank): 0.25 * Nitrite Level (tank) 0 * Nitrate level (Tank) 20 * Ammonia Level (Tap): 0 * Nitrite Level (Tap) 0 * Nitrate level (Tap) 0 * Ph Level, (Tank) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.6 * Ph Level, (Tap) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.6Other Required Info: * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API drops * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Two Aquaclear 110s, One Aqueon 20 * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime * Water temperature? 74 * How often do you change the water and how much? 50%, twice weekly * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Monday night, 9/17 , 50% change * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 50 gallons, 2 months. * How many fish in the tank and their size? 3 fish, all approximately 5 inches (+/- 1) * What do you feed your fish and how often? Soilent Green, Pro Gold, Peas, Hikari Spirulina Brine Shrimp * Any new fish added to the tank? No. * Any medications added to the tank? No. * List previous issues experienced (dropsy, SBD, etc.)-- injury/bacterial cyst <http://www.kokosgold...omething-else/> * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Prazi, salt with quarantines.-- -.2% salt since Monday 9/17. Before that, BunJ was in a quarantine tank for a weekend, salted at 0.3% because of of injury. * You can really help us to identify with the concern more accurately if you post some pictures and a short video. Took her out, could not see inside. Cannot see anything inside. We are doing a water change right now, until further instruction. Edited September 21, 2012 by dancingclown 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 Hello, How is she doing now? Would it be possible for you to check both of her gills to see what color they are, and what state they are in? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member GreenTea Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Best of luck friend, I am sorry this is happening. Is she still laying sideways? Anything about her diet changed recently? Here is one of those experts I was telling you about, I'll let him take it away. Edited September 21, 2012 by GreenTea 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dancingclown Posted September 21, 2012 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) We picked her up off the tank floor to take a quick look at her outside the water (to look in her mouth). After we put her back in the tank, she started swimming and not laying on her side. However, she still seemed very disoriented. Then she went back on the floor, but not sideways. Her diet hasn't really changed-- Soilent Green, Pro Gold, Peas, Hikari Spirulina Brine Shrimp, Spawn & Grow, veggies Videos: Very odd and disoriented swimming. http://youtu.be/0zTQIwO48Oc BunJ's gills http://youtu.be/KcuY2Aafl30 BunJ's mouth, when we thought she was choking. http://youtu.be/2Axz0rHOBzU Edited September 21, 2012 by dancingclown 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 Hello, The last two videos are unavailable. Anyway, my apologies. I was hoping that she could be back in the main tank, but it looks like she will need to move back to QT. In the absence of more definitive ways to figure out which of these possibilities is the actual cause, we will have to treat this as a case of gill infection either by flukes or bacteria, or both. When did you last treat with Prazi? What do the gills look like? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member GreenTea Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 Poor thing Hello, The last two videos are unavailable. Anyway, my apologies. I was hoping that she could be back in the main tank, but it looks like she will need to move back to QT. In the absence of more definitive ways to figure out which of these possibilities is the actual cause, we will have to treat this as a case of gill infection either by flukes or bacteria, or both. When did you last treat with Prazi? What do the gills look like? Alex - If you click the youtube button on the video - it will take you to the video on youtube and it's working there for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dancingclown Posted September 21, 2012 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) We last treated with Prazi approximately 1 month for 5 rounds. I just deleted the last two videos and am re-uploading them. The gills look pink and is in the second uploaded video. There's also a little bit of slimecoat (?) trailing around the gills. Edited September 21, 2012 by dancingclown 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dancingclown Posted September 21, 2012 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) BunJ is back laying on her side. Pupils don't look right, and she seems unconscious. Edited September 21, 2012 by dancingclown 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 You have Metro-Meds, right? I'd like to put him on that, please. There are some red spots that look like hemorrhaging on the scales, and he is breathing very heavily. Let's start with MMs. It's likely that I will also want Prazi tomorrow in QT as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Regular Member dancingclown Posted September 21, 2012 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 We have Metro-Meds. When we put him in QT, what level do we salt? BunJ's gills stopped moving. What do we do?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dancingclown Posted September 21, 2012 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 Does not look like she's breathing. On the floor of the tank. Does not look conscious - I doubt can take MMs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 Salt the QT to 0.1%, just to help her de-stress etc. Edit: I'm so sorry. I think something got to her gills, and acted very rapidly. You didn't see any signs of distress until tonight? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dancingclown Posted September 21, 2012 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 Don't think she's moving. Is there a way to bring back an unconscious fish? Fish CPR?? I don't understand, she was perfectly fine and swimming earlier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dancingclown Posted September 21, 2012 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 Is there a way to see if there's a heartbeat? What can I do to check? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 I don't know that there's anything non-invasive that you can do to check for a heartbeat with what we have. You could try to gently flush her gills with a syringe and tank water. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dancingclown Posted September 21, 2012 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 She has not moved for 20 minutes. Tried flushing her gills, but doesn't seem to work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dancingclown Posted September 21, 2012 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 Don't know what to do 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member dnalex Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 I'm so sorry, but I think she's gone One of the things that I can think of that can ravage a fish this quickly is columnaris, possibly infecting her mouth/gills. It's just strange, because there are no external evidence of this, and by the time she shows some sort of symptoms, it was over 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member GreenTea Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 Jeez I'm really sorry you lost her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member LovelyChaos Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 I am sorry ): 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member MexiMike83 Posted September 21, 2012 Regular Member Share Posted September 21, 2012 Sorry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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