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Upside down floating, white gunk on fin, cloudy eye (3 separate problems 3 separate fish)


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Like the topic title says, I have 3 separate problems with 3 separate fish. I'm not sure if they're connected or not. 2 of them started around the same time, but are very different.

Just recently one of my fish (black moor) has one cloudy eye. He seems to be able to see still, but it's difficult to say because he's always had a little trouble. Not much else seems different other than a cloudy white eye, the other looks normal.

Around the same time a different telescope eye had floaty problems. He's always been a little gassy for some reason. Him and another out of the four (a third less frequently and the fourth not at all) like to breathe at the top of the tank, especially after feeding. Now it seems to be worse though, he's completely upside down instead of just tipsy. When I come to the tank he straightens out and seems fine for as long as I'm around - but then later I'll catch him resting upside down in a glass tube. I fed peas today to see if that helps.

The third and last problem I have is with a third completely different telescope eye. She has some kind of white chunk/mass on the end of her fine. It's smooth looking, not fuzzy. This is something that has persisted for months now. Originally I salted and that reduced it to almost nothing, but then it came back. So I increased water changes - that seemed to help a little, but still continued. It was her only symptom so I didn't think much of it, but now it's been there for just too long.

I attached pictures of the white cloudy eye and the white gunk on the fin. Tough to get a good picture of the fin - it's actually bigger/more prominent than the picture lets on. When it was worse it was multiple spots like this down the edge of the fin. The girl with the fin issue may look a little oddly shaped, she was a rescue that was in really poor shape and seemed to effect her growth permanently.

My readings always seem to be good as far as water quality goes. One thing I will say is I have some kind of issue with this brown algae looking stuff that just won't seem to stop growing.

I know that's a lot to read, thanks a lot in advance to any help!

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    Test Results for the Following:
  • * Ammonia Level: 0
  • * Nitrite Level 0
  • * Nitrate level 5-10
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.2
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4-7.6
    Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API, drops
  • * Water temperature? 65
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 55, little over 2 years, but moved it a year or so ago to new apartment.
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Two tetra whispers (500 gph) and one aqua clear 50 (200 gph) 700 gph total
  • * How often do you change the water and how much? Once a week, 50%, sometimes a little less or little more. Lately it's more like every 4-5 days.

  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Yesterday, 50%
  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 4 ... 2 medium-large and 2 medium
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Seachem Prime
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Saki-Hikari, twice a day. Sometimes omega gold and peas.
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? No
  • * Any medications added to the tank? No
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. A long period of salt treatment about 2 years ago for one of them and recently to combat the white gunk, salted the whole tank with all four fish just to be safe.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Just that white globby stuff on the end of the fin.
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Other than what I said above, after eating 3 of them go to the top and breathe for some reason. I catch them doing this from time to time, but mostly after feeding. They scatter when I come to the tank.

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Sorry forgot to add - I had problems in the past with the fourth and completely different fish in my tank having floaty issues after water changes, but that stopped after I increased water changes.

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You seem to be having some major bacterial issues going on in your tank, this needs to be addressed in several ways:

1. We need to check your set up to see what could be causing the increased numbers of pathogens.

2. Start bringing salt up to 0.2% for a couple of weeks. However, if symptoms progress, we will need some sort of medication, such as Metro-Meds.

3. I think the fish can all benefit from a salt dip, given the description of excess slime.

4. The floaty fish needs to be fasted for 2-3 days, at which point we will see how he/she does.

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Just a thought: What is your filter cleaning maintenance ?

Yes, this is part of point #1 I was making: filter maintenance, substrate, feeding, water changes...

Definitely please expound on this, enesta, as this is the actual long term fix to the problem.

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To be more detailed:

- Filter maintenance consists of filling a bucket with tank water and swishing the filter media back and forth in it once a month or so.

- Water changes are done once a week at about 50%, sometimes more. Lately it's been more often, every 4-5 days. I use a python and add a dash of prime in before refilling then the rest after it's filled.

- Bare bottom tank, it's been that way since almost the beginning with my first fish.

- Decorations are just clay pots, a big rock and two glass ornaments. Also have two air pumps and two air stones.

- I feed twice a day (sometimes once a day) and fast them once a week. I feed Saki-Hikari - I let it soak in water for 2-5 minutes before running it down a funnel into a tube so it stays in one spot. I give a large pinch and it's all gone within 2-4 minutes.

Let me know if there's anything else you need to know. I have a feeling I may not be doing the filter maintenance correct?

Thank you

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I was under the impression that I wasn't supposed to change the media or I'd lose the cycle?

This is true for ceramic rings or bio-balls,but the floss needs to be changed-the white pads more often than the blue---->the white is more flimsy and catches a lot of the gunk. The blue you can just swish around in tank water------>until it's almost falling apart,but when something is up in my tank,I always check the filter floss. I change mine(in both canisters and HOBs)about 1x a month. The rule is you don't want to change more than 1/3 of the media at any given time. Do your filters take cartridges or pads/bio-balls?

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Two of them have this hard black floss stuff that I thought I never change - and well these filter floss pad things I purcahsed that are blue on one side and white one the other (I have two of them together in there). One of them (the Aqueon) has a white sponge and ceramic ball things.

So I should change that white sponge and the white/blue floss pads, but not the black pads and ceramic balls?

I have no carbon, I read in multiple spots that I should only use it to remove medication.

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I was definitely doing it wrong. I just swished it back and forth because I thought I'd lose my beneficial bacteria if I did too much. yesterday I bought an aquaclear 110 so iI could replace two smaller filters and just worry about 2 instead of 3. I put a lot of old filter media in it so hopefully the cycle stays intact. Plan to do a lot of water changes until everything looks good anyways.

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I just got the salt today, but now after giving the tank a good scrub/another water change and properly cleaning the filter/putting in the new filter ... the girl with floaty problems is acting better so far and I think that white stuff even looks smaller on the other girl. Maybe I should hold off on salt? I'll have a better idea when I get home from work. After squeezing that floss out so much gunk came out andof the filter seemed to be stronger.

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I just got the salt today, but now after giving the tank a good scrub/another water change and properly cleaning the filter/putting in the new filter ... the girl with floaty problems is acting better so far and I think that white stuff even looks smaller on the other girl. Maybe I should hold off on salt? I'll have a better idea when I get home from work. After squeezing that floss out so much gunk came out andof the filter seemed to be stronger.

Yes,filter maintenance is important! :exactly So glad they are looking better-good job! :clapping: Let us know how they are when you get home :)

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She doesn't look floaty still and the white spot on the other girl is nearly gone all together. The third girl still has a cloudy white eye though - do goldfish get cataracts?

So should I eliminate all algae? I was under the impression some was good. If I scrub it off my clay pots will I destroy beneficial bacteria?

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Eye cloudiness will take a while to disappear. It sounds like you are on the right path, though :)

What kind of algae are we talking about? In any case, algae removal should not impact negatively on your cycle at all.

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