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Common Goldie with Puffy, Cloudy Eyes

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I have a common goldie who is not doing too well lately.. She has had the recurring bouts with popeye. She seemed to be doing much better and hadn't had any trouble for quite a while but a few days ago her eyes started looking a little puffy again. I kept an eye on her but they didn't seem to be getting any worse and she seemed to be acting all right. However, today I went to feed them and i noticed that she was not doing well. Her eyes were a bit more puffy and all cloudy (which is new) and she was swimming slightly tilted to the side. I've moved her to my hospital tank and have tried to get her to eat some MG, but she is refusing. She is obviously feeling pretty crummy because she let me hold her and hand feed her some pellets (something she never has allowed me to do before). Shortly after I put the pellets in her mouth though, she promptly spit them back out. Ugh. I tried just dropping some pieces of MG in beside her to try and get her attention but when I came back a while later she still hadn't touched them. She seems to just stay near the surface of the water tilted at a slight angle with her head upwards. I'm not sure what to do or if I am using the right treatment. Please help!

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I forgot to post the water parameters of the QT. They are:

pH - 7

KH - 40

GH - 25

Nitrite - 0

Nitrate - 10.

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I'm sorry your fish isn't doing well. Could you please answer the following questions? (Give information for both the QT tank and the main tank.) That will help us to help you. If you can manage to get some photos of the fish, that would be helpful as well.


    Test Results for the Following:
  • * Ammonia Level
  • * Nitrite Level
  • * Nitrate level
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
  • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)
    Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?
  • * Water temperature?
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)?
  • * How often do you change the water and how much?
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?

  • * How many fish in the tank and their size?
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners?
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often?
  • * Any new fish added to the tank?
  • * Any medications added to the tank?
  • * List previous issues experienced (dropsy, SBD, etc.)
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

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    Main Tank (the parameters for the QT are listed above)
  • * Ammonia Level - 0
  • * Nitrite Level - 0
  • * Nitrate level - 15
  • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) - 7, 40, 25
  • Other Required Info:
  • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? - Tetra easystrips
  • * Water temperature? - 70 degrees Fahrenheit
  • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? - 55 gallon. About 1 year
  • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? One is a penguin 200, the other I am unsure of the brand but it is a power filter as well and says "regent" on the side
  • * How often do you change the water and how much? once every 2 weeks. 30-50%
  • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? - 1 day. 30%

  • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 3 common goldies (appx 6 in, 5 in, and 4.5 in) 1 lionhead (appx 3.5 in) one black moor (appx 4 in) and one shubunkin (appx 6 in)
  • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? I only use Aquasafe plus by Tetra when I do water changes.
  • * What do you feed your fish and how often? home made gel food (green pea baby food, tuna fish, probiotics, water, and gelatin or agar)
  • * Any new fish added to the tank? no
  • * Any medications added to the tank? no
  • * List previous issues experienced (dropsy, SBD, etc.) this fish has had previous issues with popeye
  • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. This fish was treated for popeye about 3 or 4 times in a QT with Medi-Gold for abou 10-14 days each time
  • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Yesterday I noticed a few pieces of what looked like ich on her dorsal fin but they seem to be gone now. As mentioned above, her eyes are puffy and looking a bit cloudy.
  • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? She has not wanted to eat and has been swimming slightly tilted to one side. She seems to stay mostly at the surface of the water tilted at an angle with her head up
  • I will try to post some pictures and/or videos of her later today.

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Just checked on the sick fish and she is not doing well at all. She is having problems staying upright in the water and is swimming in a swirling fashion sometimes ending up upside down.When she is resting she ends up sinking to the bottom of the tank and tipping over onto one side or the other. I fed her one MG pellet and she seemed like she was eating it but then spit it out again. I don't know that getting the MG in her orally is feasible right now. I think that I might need to treat the water with some sort of medication instead. Any thoughts? Please help this is not looking good for her.

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Could you please post a video of her?

Also, what is ammonia for the QT and Ph for the tap?

Please don't start any medications just yet, as MG may not be the appropriate medication for this situation

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Okay, I just read over everything in more detail and here are my initial thoughts:

- With 4 single tailed fish and 2 fancies in a 55 gallon you are highly overstocked. 20 gallons per single tailed fish is the bare minimum along with a minimum of 10-15 gallons per fancy. For your current number of fish you would need a minimum of 100 gallons.

- Your current water changing schedule is not adequate. In an appropriately stocked tank we would recommend a minimum weekly water change of 50-80%. In an overstocked tank you will need to change more water more frequently to keep the water quality good and organic load down in the tank. Pop eye is most often a symptom of poor water quality/a heavy organic load in the tank.

- Strip test kits are notoriously inaccurate. Is there any way for you to pick up a drop test kit such as the API master test kit? These are more accurate and actually save money in the long run because you get more tests out of them.

- Your Kh is low and Ph is borderline safe. I know in your previous thread regarding your black moor a buffer was suggested. Are you using one currently?

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Okay, I am just waiting for the video of her to upload now. Her eyes are no longer puffy or cloudy, but she is having serious difficulty swimming and she just sits on the bottom on her side most of the time :(. I am using a buffer, I can't remember what it is called though... I can go and check if you want me to. The ph of my tap water is 6.5

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I'm so sorry :( She does not look well. I have consulted with the rest of the mod team, and I unfortunately believe that she is most likely beyond treatment at this point. The corkscrew swimming is usually a sign of a neurological issue that is at this time untreatable, paired with the fact that she is laying on her side and drifting do not support a good outcome in this situation. I know that this is a very hard decision to make, but at this point I would recommend euthanizing her :( If you choose to do this, clove oil mixed in a small cup of water is the most humane way to do it. I'm happy to provide more specific instructions if you need it.

I'm sorry :hug

In regard to the buffer, you may want to try playing around with how much you are dosing a bit. Sometimes when the kh is really low, more than the recommended dosage is required to get the kh up to a safe value (I have to use nearly 3x the recommended dosage of my buffer). You want to aim for around 100ppm. I would dose the tank, wait an hour, measure kh, and dose again until you have gotten the kh up (keep track of how much it takes to get there).

Please do consider getting a larger tank for your finned friends, along with upping the frequency of your water changes. I fear that if these issues are not taken care of you will continue to have problems such as popeye in this tank. Even if water parameters test perfect, there is organic waste that builds up in the tank that has to be removed regularly or it will cause bacterial problems. And overstocking can lead to stress, which has been shown to significantly lower immune system function, leaving your fish more vulnerable to bacteria and parasites that are in the tank. If you cannot afford a larger tank you could always get a couple cheap large storage tubs to use as temporary housing until you can figure the tank situation out. You could also buy a second tank and split the fish up (perhaps the two fancies in one and the single tails in another?)

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I'm sorry, Elli. I wish there were something we could do to help :(

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Its alright. I just wish there was something I could do. I hate sitting here watching her suffer.

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we understand hun.. it's a tough call and something we don't like making.. but sometimes, it's for the best. we're here for you :heart

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