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Alright... So my boyfriend is in the process of procuring me a wonderful ~70 gallon custom tank for 20 dollars from his friend. I must be born for this cause all of my tanks were steals! I am hoping to start the tank right this time... The last 2 times were rushed, and although the fish made it my stress levels were through the roof dealing with ammonia all of the time! Anyways, my questions are, what kind of filters are best suited for a 70 gallon that will probably have 4-5 larger goldfish. I plan to get a Shukin, Ranchu, two Orandas, and a Black Moore, (hopefully from RG) or something along those lines. I have never dealt with a tank this big and I am hoping someone can set me straight about fishless cycling, and how long it should be cycled for. This will be a great learning experience since I am hoping I can get a job as an aquatics specialist at petco and hopefully keep people from putting wonderful goldies into bowls ): What plants are appropriate for goldies? I have some Java ferns that are already rooted and will be going into my 55 or my 5, also some lucky bamboo and microsword. What kind of substrate should I use? And what do I do about the heating aspect of the tank? I only need a heater for winter when at night it dips to 30-40 degrees, sometimes colder. When dealing with plants, what kind of lighting is best?

tl;dr

Best plants for goldies?

Substrate?

Heating?

Lighting?

Cycling?

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I really can't give any tips re: plants in a goldie tank~~~only "live" plants I have are in the betta tank.............

but others here can suggest best plants to get for goldie tank, a lot of people here use sand as substrate or glass containers for bare bottom tanks........heating is a good thing to KEEP water constant.

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1. Best plants for goldies?

There are so many different plants, I'm sure others will add to this, but here is my short list

Goldfish Proof: anubias and java fern

Usually goldfish proof (not always): crypts (lots of different varieties to choose from), swords, vallisinaria, penny wort, banana plants, dwarf sag

More likely to be eaten: anacharis, water sprite, moss balls

All fish are different so if there is a plant you want to try, go for it and see what happens :) You may have difficulty with delicate foreground plants because they can be an easy tasty snack, and goldfish tend to dig up substrate so it may be difficult to keep them in the ground. If you want to try smaller carpeting/foreground plants like the microsword you have I would plant it as far in advance as you can so it has a chance to root.

Substrate?

Kind of depends on what plants you want to keep. But if you are going to have any heavy root feeders you will want to consider either a nutrient rich substrate like eco complete or flourite (I personally prefer the texture of eco complete, but both work great in my experience), or adding root tabs to whatever inert substrate you go with. Overall I would go with a finer substrate like sand or tahitian moon sand over a chunkier gravel substrate, especially for the microsword. I use an eco complete base with tahitian moon sand cap in my betta tank, this has worked really well for me personally.

Heating?

You really only need heaters if your tank temp drops in the winter below 70-72 since fancies tend to do best in the low 70's (I keep my tank 72-74). You don't want the tank temp fluctuating all over the place. But if you have a well heated house that keeps a pretty steady temp, a heater may not be necessary. EDIT: just saw you said your temps drop... duh :P I like the Eheim Jager heaters or the Aqueon Pro heaters. I find the Aqueon Pro heaters to be a little more user friendly. You'll probably need to run 2 heaters on the tank as opposed to one, which is a good thing because it lessens the chances of cooking your fish ;)

Lighting?

Depends on what type of plants you want to keep. Since you are already planning on the microsword I would go with a fixture that's going to provide you with some decent moderate lighting, like a dual T5HO. I personally always recommend the aquatic life fixtures because I really like them, but there are lots of different choices out there :) If you are planning to just keep low light plants like anubias and java fern, you don't necessarily need so much lighting.

Cycling?

If you already have a tank set up and cycled you can seed your new filters with cycled filter media from your current tank (as long as you trust your filter media to be disease free). Depending on how much filter media you are able to steal, this will give you a pretty much instant cycle. You could even run your new filter on the cycled tank for a few weeks until you are ready to set up the new tank to help cycle it.

Filters?

I like the aqua clear filters. For a 70 gallon you want to aim for 700 gph. You could go with an aqua clear 110 (500 gph) and an aqua clear 70 (300 gph) or 50 (200 gph).... You could also do an HOB and canister combo and run a AC 110 and something like an Eheim Ecco Pro 2236 (I think 169 gph?) (with the addition of the canister you can arguably get away with slightly less filtration because it holds so much more media than an HOB). Eheim and fluval would be the brands to look at for canisters :)

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1. Best plants for goldies?

There are so many different plants, I'm sure others will add to this, but here is my short list

Goldfish Proof: anubias and java fern

Usually goldfish proof (not always): crypts (lots of different varieties to choose from), swords, vallisinaria, penny wort, banana plants, dwarf sag

More likely to be eaten: anacharis, water sprite, moss balls

All fish are different so if there is a plant you want to try, go for it and see what happens :) You may have difficulty with delicate foreground plants because they can be an easy tasty snack, and goldfish tend to dig up substrate so it may be difficult to keep them in the ground. If you want to try smaller carpeting/foreground plants like the microsword you have I would plant it as far in advance as you can so it has a chance to root.

Substrate?

Kind of depends on what plants you want to keep. But if you are going to have any heavy root feeders you will want to consider either a nutrient rich substrate like eco complete or flourite (I personally prefer the texture of eco complete, but both work great in my experience), or adding root tabs to whatever inert substrate you go with. Overall I would go with a finer substrate like sand or tahitian moon sand over a chunkier gravel substrate, especially for the microsword. I use an eco complete base with tahitian moon sand cap in my betta tank, this has worked really well for me personally.

Heating?

You really only need heaters if your tank temp drops in the winter below 70-72 since fancies tend to do best in the low 70's (I keep my tank 72-74). You don't want the tank temp fluctuating all over the place. But if you have a well heated house that keeps a pretty steady temp, a heater may not be necessary. EDIT: just saw you said your temps drop... duh :P I like the Eheim Jager heaters or the Aqueon Pro heaters. I find the Aqueon Pro heaters to be a little more user friendly. You'll probably need to run 2 heaters on the tank as opposed to one, which is a good thing because it lessens the chances of cooking your fish ;)

Lighting?

Depends on what type of plants you want to keep. Since you are already planning on the microsword I would go with a fixture that's going to provide you with some decent moderate lighting, like a dual T5HO. I personally always recommend the aquatic life fixtures because I really like them, but there are lots of different choices out there :) If you are planning to just keep low light plants like anubias and java fern, you don't necessarily need so much lighting.

Cycling?

If you already have a tank set up and cycled you can seed your new filters with cycled filter media from your current tank (as long as you trust your filter media to be disease free). Depending on how much filter media you are able to steal, this will give you a pretty much instant cycle. You could even run your new filter on the cycled tank for a few weeks until you are ready to set up the new tank to help cycle it.

Filters?

I like the aqua clear filters. For a 70 gallon you want to aim for 700 gph. You could go with an aqua clear 110 (500 gph) and an aqua clear 70 (300 gph) or 50 (200 gph).... You could also do an HOB and canister combo and run a AC 110 and something like an Eheim Ecco Pro 2236 (I think 169 gph?) (with the addition of the canister you can arguably get away with slightly less filtration because it holds so much more media than an HOB). Eheim and fluval would be the brands to look at for canisters :)

Thank you! I will definitely check out some of those. The lighting is the trickiest for me cause I have very few options near me. Do you know if dwarf hairgrass is fancy friendly? I am interested in that, but with the upkeep if they are likely to be pulled out I will just pass. Thanks again!

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I am pessimistic about dwarf hairgrass being fancy friendly. If you have any fish that enjoy munching plants my guess is it would become a quick salad because it is so small, soft, and tender. But I don't know this for sure. I have never kept dwarf hairgrass with goldfish and have yet to hear of someone who has (although I'm sure there is someone out there who's done it!) The other issue is that it takes awhile to root well, so I could see goldfish quickly digging it up.

All that said, nothing is impossible and you may have fish that don't have any interest in nibbling plants. You should try a small patch of it and find out if it works or not! It's a pretty plant :) Hopefully others will chime in if they have any experience with it in a goldfish tank :) I really think anything is possible depending on the personality of your fish.

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I am pessimistic about dwarf hairgrass being fancy friendly. If you have any fish that enjoy munching plants my guess is it would become a quick salad because it is so small, soft, and tender. But I don't know this for sure. I have never kept dwarf hairgrass with goldfish and have yet to hear of someone who has (although I'm sure there is someone out there who's done it!) The other issue is that it takes awhile to root well, so I could see goldfish quickly digging it up.

All that said, nothing is impossible and you may have fish that don't have any interest in nibbling plants. You should try a small patch of it and find out if it works or not! It's a pretty plant :) Hopefully others will chime in if they have any experience with it in a goldfish tank :) I really think anything is possible depending on the personality of your fish.

So far only my commons/comets will nip at plants, especially my sword. My goldies are well fed and usually will only go after my java fern, if anything at all. I will try a patch and see what happens (:

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Let us know how it goes for sure!

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