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I was hoping to get some help with these two oranda guys I just got. I'm a fairly experienced goldfish keeper but these two have me worried. They were a friend's and I know he had them for a year.... They are over a year old, very tiny and very sick. I'm calling them Ren and Stimpy for now. They lived for over a year in a 65 gallon tropical tank that was stuffed to the gills with various fish. 3 adult bn plecos, clown loach, barbs that I know of along with others. I don't know how often the tank was cleaned but I know it was massively poorly stocked and overstocked and had many deaths in it. As of now they are both in my 20 gallon quarantine tank. They have went through a 4 dose furan 2 treatment as soon as I got them. Then 2 days after the antibiotic I started a tetra parasite guard treatment, they have had 2 doses and will receive the third follow up dose Friday. Ths first and worse case is Ren. He is much larger then the other at maybe a 2 to 2.5 inch body but still insanely small for a year old goldie. He is clamped, bottom sitting , has a very heavily red veined tail with a melted edge to it, his eyes almost look like they have large blisters on them. (The eye itself isn't protuding like in typical Popeye instead it looks like a large cloudy cone over the eye itself, he is not eating or responding to food. He just sits there swallowing almost like he has a gravel in his throat but I don't see anything in there when looking with a flashlight. A few times over these past two weeks I have saw him fall over on his side but he generally stays upright. Then there is Stimpy who is so tiny it's insane he has a body size of maybe an inch to an inch and a half basically he is the size of my pinky finger tip. He is also bottom sitting and clamped , missing scales, but does swim on very rare occasion and maybe eat a bit of something. He doesn't have the cloud or veins and stays upright though. I have tried to temp these guys with pellets, flake, frozen blood worm, rapashy gel food and deshelled peas. Very minimal food is even touched. I will fill out the d and d form below as well but I can't tell you much more than this since they are in qt and weren't mine. Test Results for the Following: * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0 * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0 * Nitrate level(Tank) under 10 * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0 * Nitrite Level(Tap)0 * Nitrate level(Tap)0 * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.2 Other Required Info: * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API master kit * Water temperature? 68 * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 20 gal QT with an established filter * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Sponge * How often do you change the water and how much? Depending on the meds I've been using. * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 25% per med instructions 3 days ago * How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 golds, tiny * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime * What do you feed your fish and how often? Refused most foods, trying twice a day with various foods * Any new fish added to the tank? Them * Any medications added to the tank?, tetra Parasite Guard this week * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Furan 2 a 4 dose cycle, now on second dose of paraguard * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Cloudy blisters over eyes, red veined tail, melted tail appearance, gulping, bottom sitting, clamped, and refusing to eat. * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? See above