So as some of you know my Hubby was planning on surprising me with a pond this fall,but my chronic pain was getting to me i was on the verge of giving up my tank and fish so he caved and told me early..Tomorrow morning we are going to Green cove springs fla to Koi's Corner to look at what they have and so my hubby can describe what he is thinking and if it will work or what he needs to change,so far his rough estimate has the pond half above ground at 8 ft long 4 ft wide and 2 ft high give or take he said this may change as the patio progresses I am beyond excited I will be posting a lot more info and questions as we get closer