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  1. I had a set that came with the filter new (obviously), but they somehow got trashed when I was flipping out about my fish dying. I think when my mother was helping me deconstruct the tank, she tossed them with the other filter media. At that point I was considering throwing out all of the stuff including the tank itself, just to get it out of my site because it hurt too much knowing that my fish were gone and never coming back. (Wow that sounds horribly depressing, sorry about that.)

    Anyway, thanks Daryl. You're always the one that helps me with all my filter needs. You rock :D

    I'll just have to buckle down and order some online then. :)

  2. I need to buy new Bio-Wheels for my filter. I've got the filter and all the bits, except the Bio-Wheels. It is a penguin 350B. Does anybody know of a place I can get them for less than $10 each? It seems a little high, but the cheapest place is Big Al's at $10. vvvv has them online for $14.

    Alternately, does anybody know if other models of the biowheel will work in a 350B? I can get the 330B for like a little over $5 each.

  3. Leo is doing extremely well. He has been able to return to the original tank. I have decreased the currents in it by removing the powerheads from the tank. He is using the whole tank, from the very bottom to the very top. I think he has improved considerably since being moved back home, due in part to the fact that he's not alone anymore. Both of my fish were starting to feel the strain of solitary life.

    Thank you all for your help. I'm going to return to hand feeding him so that I know exactly how much food he gets, and increasing my water changing regiment. I've decided to keep the nitrates to below 10 if I can. That's what the tank was at before I moved him into it, so tomorrow I'll do a water change.

  4. I have two goldfish, one of them is having SBD problems and is at least temporarily occupying a hospital tank (showing lots of improvement). Since I have split them up, the healthy fish (and she still is healthy) has been being all depressed looking. I'm worried about her living alone in the tank with nobody to play with.

    I'm facing a moral dilemma. If I have to keep the SBD fish in the hospital tank long term, would it be wrong to keep my remaining fish all alone?

    Things I'm trying to take into account are:

    1) Quarantining a new fish would be a real pain. I have a tank, but no filter, so I'd rig up a $7 zeolite filter for the quarantine period. It does keep the tank ammonia free without having to cycle it.

    2) If something happens to the new fish, or my original lonely fish, I'll have the same problem again, it'll be a never ending cycle.

    3) If I end up with a male fish, I'm going to have problems when he matures. I don't know if I would be able to keep him. Right now I've got two females, and this is a *good* thing.

    4) I don't actually want more fish (I know, sacrilege, but it is the truth). I like the ones I have... no I *love* the ones I have. But I don't want to have more. It gets unmanageable when I have more.

    So those are the reasons why I shouldn't purchase another fish. But there are reasons to do it too. Taking care of two fish isn't any harder than caring for one. I won't actually have to buy any new equipment or anything else. Being lonely is a horrible thing to force on anyone, including fish.

    So that's my problem. I don't want more fish, but if my sick fish has to stay in the hospital tank, or god forbid, passes away... I have a lonely fish who is breaking my heart.

    Any and all opinions wanted. What would you do? Do you feel it is wrong to keep my lonely fish by herself? I'm honestly not sure what I'm going to do. If I do get another fish, I'm going to try and find someone who is trying to rehome a female goldfish so that at least I'm doing something good for a fishy by bringing her into my home.

  5. Thanks Blue, I'll read through that.

    I got home a couple hours ago and tested Leo's water, zero ammonia was showing, I think the double dose of prime that I used helped keep it down while I was away for 24 hours. Leo is still hanging out at the bottom, but he's the right side up, so I'm taking this as a good sign. I fed him a *very* small amount of sinking pellets today, and am watching him closely. Later tonight I am intending to feed him a pea.

    I stopped at the pet store on the way home and picked up two bags of zeolite, some plastic canvas and plastic lace. He's now got a home-made zeolite filter running off an air pump in his tank. Total cost was under $7. I'm hoping that it'll keep the water good at least a few days at a time so that I won't have to lug buckets every day.

    Cassie (the fish he was living with) looks really down, not having him around to play with. Though I may be projecting my own emotions onto her. I checked all her water stuff, and it is fine, but I'm worried about her. I don't know what I'm going to do if Leo continues to have problems with the current that is needed to filter both of their wastes... they both might have to live alone :(

    Thank you so much to all of you. It means so much to me to know that when I have a goldfish problem, there is a place to come where knowledgeable people are willing to help me sort out the right way to help my fishies. If I could, I would give all of you a huge hug right now.

  6. Well, I think you could certainly keep him there a while. You can get little zeolite cartridges that will run off an airline - I think you can replace them every week or two depending on bio-load. I'll try to check out a few links and meanwhile I'll PM Trinket who is very good at sleuthing out medical probs.

    Sometimes if a parasite load is not particularly high the fish can jog along for a while, feeling rather lethargic but without any really alarming symptoms, until they reach a tipping point. My fish have had some kind of internal parasite probs for a while and haven't really appeared 'ill' as such.

    It is encouraging that he is upright again. Can you tell us a little more about him? Like, where you had him when you first got him and what happened when you set-up the 29gal you mentioned. Did the fish have to go through a new cycle or anything?

    I'll try to post back tonight although it's already quite late here, so it may end up being tomorrow

    I just checked out Aquariums R Us and they have a few small airline filter boxes that could house zeolite. I sometimes have used a small Hagen plastic, box-filter. Just make sure the capacity is big enough.

    I would try the 'epsom' pea before rushing to medicate and see how he gets on in the QT without the current. Hopefully Trinket will drop by at some point......

    I'm going to grab a piece of plastic canvas, stick a couple bags of zeolite in it and put an airstone in the middle, then anchor it to the bottom of the tank with a couple of rocks in pantyhose tied to it.

    I did the epsom pea thing and he scarfed it down. I had to spend the night at my mother's tonight, so I'll be able to check in on him tomorrow morning. His tub shows zero ammonia, but I dosed it with prime to make sure that it wouldn't be a problem for tonight. As soon as I get home, I'll test his water, and if it is showing ammonia, I'll do a water change on it to get it down. I'll also have the zeolite by then. I'm going to set up my spare 20 gallon tank for him so that I can move the plastic tub out of my bathtub (only place to really put it).

    Leo's history is not very complex. He's really a girl, but I didn't learn that until after I named him... so he's still Leo to me. When he was about an inch and a half long he had to endure a cycling (I was new to fish and didn't know about cycling then), this was last September, but other than that he hasn't had bad water at any time. When I set up the 29 gallon last march it was cycled before any fish went into it. I had to get rid of most of my fish when I moved this summer, so he's been living with just the one tank mate since um... June about.

    Swimbladder problems are tricky. They can mask internal disease and while we are busy concentrating on diet an intestinal parasite or bacteria causing damage to the liver or intestinal tract might be the real cause. In the case of disease+swimbladder issues the fish will lose its appetite and eventually stop eating. With your fish, he still has appetite and normal poop so I would think this is probably not a parasite causing case.

    The next likely one is gut bloat. Not being able to 'go'. Again, poop or lack of it can be the teller and it occurs most often in fish that are fed processed food only. Your fish seems to have a varied diet including peas and fruit which helps with these digestive problems.

    And the other one is true swimbladder. Which all fish but especially fancyfish are so prone to. The compact body masses all the organs and the long intestinal tract into one tiny place and the airsac in the abdomen responsible for buoyancy is packed in there tightly too. The airsac is made of 2 parts (caudal and anterior) that are constantly adjusting the airflow(via blood capillaries)to keep the fish upright. When these capillaries are damaged or not functioning well enough to transport air there may be balance issues noticeable in the fish.

    When you seea fish "burping" out air at the top of the tank the fish is trying to mantain airsac control by expelling extra air to recreate an equilibrium. The next stage may be bottom sitting where balance may be easier than swimming which involves more work from the airsac ballast dynamic.

    Thus the true swimbladder/airsac problem often follows a set route: bottom sitting; rushing to top to get air; back to bottom sitting and this kind of bottom sitting will often be head tilted down (easy to confuse with bacterial infection) some listing to the side and a recurring flipover problem that at first quickly passes but then becomes more and more the norm.

    So I think your fish may be in the last group. I personally own a flipper and believe it has been due to high nitrates (over 20) for a sustained period of time when I was unable to monitor them This fish will flipover when I need to do a water change!! My radiation canary. High nitrates and indeed other water toxins can dilate or damage the cappillaries that are resoponsible for expelling and transporting air to the air sacs. Think of those toxins like butter,lard and transfats effects on the human arteries :o

    So I think Pixie was right to first eliminate parasites and bloat and now perhaps we are left with sbd. What you are doing is good. These kind of fish need a long period of time in shallow warmer water with small regular feedings of a variety of stuff. Don't starve an sbd fish but feed smaller amounts -they need the nutrition to fight the toxins an drepair the capilliary damage. There are success stories. Don't give up and don't medicate unless visible or farther symptoms appear as medicating here can also damage those capilliaries making things worse.

    Perfect water. Zero nitrates. A low tub water changed every few days with gentle air, smaller feeds and patience. Good luck :)

    Wow that is a lot of info, I appreciate it very much. He does go way up and then way down, I haven't seen him upside down since about an hour or two after he was put in the tub. Now that he's by himself I'll be able to monitor exactly how much he eats, which I think will be a good thing. It is hard to tell which fish gets which and which fish poos which when they are sharing a tank.

    Just to confirm that all that I'm doing is going in the right direction and that I haven't missed anything...

    1) relatively shallow water in the high seventies

    2) perfect water (I'm going to attempt this through zeolite and frequent water changes, any filter I could get would create more current than he can handle)

    3) low current

    4) very small amounts of food at a time, including fresh veggies and such, but feeding enough times in the day to keep him going.

    5) pay close attention

    When I checked in on him today he was swimming around the bottom of his tub, and when I stuck my hand in to fiddle with the airstone he swam towards it and sucked on my arm like he does normally, and he scarfed the epsom pea. There was also a lot of normal shaped poo on the bottom of the tank that I siphoned up.

    He seems to be out of immediate danger, and I'm way more calm (had MAJOR freak out last night and cried on everybody in sight). If you would like, this could be moved to the disease/diagnosis forum.

  7. Hello HackerBoi. Sorry you're having problems.

    This may be a little tricky to figure out: your nitrates are not high and your feeding schedule wouldn't easily cause constipation, so that's two possible causes which seem unlikely.

    What's left:

    a) the fish may have a pre-existing problem with it's swim-bladder. Sometimes it can become damaged through bad water-quality and infection. How big is he? You got him in March, right?

    b) he may have a parasite load which has caused him to bottom-sit since you first got him.

    c) internal bacteria. Have you noticed his poop? If he has internal bacteria, the poop will not be normal.

    I think I'd first feed a pea with a single epsom crystal inside. This will flush him out and remove the possibility of contipation for sure. See if this makes any difference.

    Unless you've noticed thin, stringy, white poop, (in which case, MediGold might be in order) I might go up the parasite route next. You could run Prazi and also try to get the new Goldfish Connection De-wormer for internal parasites.

    I wonder what the others think? Hopefully someone else will jump in soon.

    I've had him for a little over a year, got him last September. Wouldn't parasites have effected other fish that I housed him with or showed some other physical signs? He had a little bit of finrot last winter, but other than hanging out at the bottom for about half the day, he's just like every other goldfish.

    His poop seems fine, but it is hard to tell in a tank with two goldfish, the poops on the bottom of his quarantine tub are fine though. I'll try and get some epsom salts today, though I won't be able to get any medicated foods. I feel rotten for it, but I'm completely broke and just can't afford to buy meds this month.

    Forgot to say - it may be worth putting in some zeolite to manage the ammonia as you are not cycling this QT. Ammonia will only make things worse and zeolite will make the amount of water changing a little easier.

    Thanks pixiefish, I'll pick some up today. I'm triple dosing the prime in hopes that it will help manage it a little bit.

    UPDATE: I checked on him this morning in the QT tub, and he's swimming upright though still having lots of control issues. If I can't resolve this to the point where he's back to his normal self, is it possible to keep him in a 20 gallon long with limited water movement and zeolite long term? The current seems to make him really unstable.

  8. Ammonia Level? 0

    Nitrite Level? 0

    Nitrate level? 15 (about)

    Ph Level, (If possible,KH and GH and chloramines)? 7.4

    Ph Level out of the Tap? 7.0 (treat with baking soda to break it up)

    Tank size (How many Gals) and How long has it been running? 29 gallons, running since march, but I moved it in september, though it didn't even bump the cycle.

    What is the name and size of the filter/s? Penguin 350 B

    How often do you change the water and how much? once a week, about 30%

    How many fish in the tank and their size? 2, body is about four to five inches

    What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime, aquarium salt (other fishy caught her tail on a plant and had a very small tear, so I put salt in this last water change) and baking soda

    Any medications added to the tank? no

    Add any new fish to the tank? no

    What do you feed your fish? pro gold, algae wafers, peas, occasionally some fruit

    Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt", bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? no

    Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, ect..? He has always preferred to hang around the bottom, his entire life. But now he's having super trouble staying upright, and keeps floating to the top and being upside down.

    I've moved him to a plastic bin filled with about 15 gallons of water (PH and temp matched, dechlorinated) because my other fish was starting to poke at him and the filter flow was whipping him around the tank no matter where he tried to hide. Usually they hide in the flower pots and the flow doesn't get them, but he can't control himself anymore, so now he's got no filter and is rubbermaiding it with an airstone. I intend to keep an eye on the ammonia and keep it from being a problem.

    I'm scared to death, I don't know what to do.

  9. Prime doesn't exactly protect your fish, but instead helps detoxify the water.

    Prime will bind with the ammonia in your water and turn it into a form which is accessible to the nitrifying bacteria, but not harmful to the fish. It is important that you use one of the two bottle ammonia test kits if you are using Prime, otherwise you'll get a false reading. The reading on your ammonia test kit will be the remaining harmful ammonia, it will not read the detoxified ammonia.

    If there is more Prime in your tank than you need to detoxify your current ammonia level, then it will sit in your tank waiting for more ammonia to be produced and then glomp onto that, and detoxify it.

    How it works for nitrates and nitrites is currently not clear. Even the manufacturers don't understand how it works (at least their website said that). I've done my own experiments and gotten results that showed that the API nitrite and nitrate tests are also only reading the detoxified forms... but that isn't something that has been proven by anyone else to my knowledge.

    If you're doing a water change, you do need to treat the new water with Prime. After your water change (give it an hour to distribute evenly) test your nitrate, nitrite and ammonia levels. If you want to use Prime to detoxify it further, then use a dosage based upon your entire tank volume. You can use up to five times the recommended dosage without problems.

    At least all of this is my understanding. I don't have the bottle with me (I'm away from home tonight) to confirm it.

  10. OMG! Its so good to see you! I and another member were talking about how all these old members were disapering. Did you ever get that job in texas or something like that?

    Btw, your fish are beautiful. They look bigger too, but wensworth is still the best! :rofl

    Awe thanks FP! I *knew* you'd mention Wentworth :P

    I did take the job in Texas, but had to return home when someone I cared about got really sick. But it was fun while it lasted.

    Welcome Back Hacker Boi. Nice tank, and nice fish. A ryukin, and a black moor? Is that a 29 gallon tank? Are the plants real or fake?

    Cassie is a red and white fantail, Leo is a black moor. Yep, 29 gallon tank, and the plants are fake. They are silk ones :)

    Love that second picture. Looks like you goldfish is kissing the turtle.

    :D I'm using a larger version of that as my desktop wallpaper right now. They like to eat the algae that grows on him.

  11. Someone asked for Sausage, I am nothing if not accommodating for people who love my fishies.

    Jalad aka "the sausage" and his tankmate Cassie (both actually girls, even though I call Jalad a boy)





    I noticed while getting up close and personal with Cassie while taking these pictures, she has only one anal fin. Apparently I've never taken a direct on look at her rear end before.

  12. I need to do another water change today, so I'll take more sausage pictures, or at least try to. He is a "she", so he doesn't live with the boys. My memory card for my camera died, so I can only take 7 photos at a time... hard to get a good shot.

  13. Awee, thanks for all the nice words. I shall tell the fishies how you all love them :D

    nice pics :D hey L.E. Pirin try a video of your fish (that is what i do when my fish move too fast :D )

    I would, but the computer that is capable of capturing video broke, and I have been unable to fix it yet.

  14. I have a co-ed tank that works pretty well, though sometimes Fatty will try to have sex with Broken Jaw, who is almost never interested.

    OMG! your signature is awesome!

    :) Of all of my tanks and fish I only have one that is all male. This is only because "Sunburst" a huge male oranda finds it necessary to harass every female that he is around. So after some experimenting, I have found him two happy roomates, both boys, and they get along great!

    That is one of the nice things about having a VERY male goldfish, is that if the sex of a new fish is in question, I just put it into the tank with my male, and if he goes after it with a passion, then I've got a girl :P

  15. I've got two male goldfish, one with a female name, often referred to by female pronouns, she really is "just one of the guys" :P



    Darmok and Vala


    Bad pic of Vala


    I really am glad that Darmok doesn't have to be alone anymore. Even if it means that Leo does. He likes being alone anyway... Gosh, I wish I could get good pictures of Vala, but she moves so fast and likes to swim near the corners of the tank, and it has black sealant and trim, so she doesn't show up very well.

  16. you could put them together. the pet stores dont even care what gender it is.

    There are a lot of things that people in pet stores do that I wouldn't imagine subjecting my fish to.

    I can't put them together without my males harassing my females to the point where they are so stressed that they get sick. I'd rather have happy separated goldfish than stressed and sick goldfish all in the same tank.

  17. I think I've got one male moor and one female moor, and though they look nothing alike, and are not high quality, I've thought about breeding them, and keeping all the surviving babies, once I have the option of having space for all of them. I think in my unskilled hands, I'd be lucky to get even a handful of fry that grow up...

    Though the success you all have had with co-ed tanks gives me hope for the future.

  18. I have three female fish and two male fish, the larger male is about three inches, the smaller male is about an inch and a half (no tails). No matter the size of the female, both males chase and chase and chase and rub up on and nuzzle the tail fins of any girly fish.

    I've had to resort to keeping them in separate tanks. Darmok did display breeding stars at one point, but I can't see them now, Vala (my boy fishy with the girly name) doesn't display any breeding stars or tubercles but harasses my girl fish, but just plays with my boy fish, so I'm assuming that she's a he.

    Does anybody keep a co-ed tank? How do you keep the boys from stressing out the girls too much with the chasing?

    I ended up getting rid of my large tank (40 gallons) and going to three smaller tanks (20 long, 20 long & 29) so that I could keep all my fish, but have them separated into groups of who got along with each other.

  19. I have five goldfish, and they all respond differently to having company.

    One fish (female black moor) is so sensitive, that she hides most of the time if there are other fish in the tank. The tank I got her from at the pet store, had probably 30 other moors in there, and no places to hide. When I brought her home, and placed her with a fantail from another tank in the same store, she went into hiding within a day. Ever since then, she hides most of the time unless in a tank by herself.

    I've kept her with a female lionhead, female fantail, male moor and a male pearlscale, of varying sizes and different groupings. If she's alone, she goes all over the place, and if she's with other fish, she hides. I'm so in love with her. She's just like me. She even sucks on my arm if it is in the fish.

    My fantail and lionhead both seem to be just fine with company or without.

    I've got a male pearlscale and a male moor, they both seem to do fine alone or with other male fish, but they have issues with the female fish. They are both quite aggressive at feeding time too, sometimes forcing each other to do somersaults while trying to get the food, and they play together and seem to be happy together. However they were also really active and seemed to be happy by themselves as well.

    So I think it depends upon the fish. Some of them do better without having other people around (I'm thinking about getting a snail for the lone moor) and others thrive with company, and some are indifferent to it.

    The only time Cassie and Jalad seem to be particularly close, is if there is a bump in my cycle and I didn't notice it before it got bad enough that it needed a large water change to set it straight. Then they huddle down in the corner together.

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