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  1. Hi! My husband didn't give away the fry . . . he's been taking care of them . . . and I shouldn't call them fry anymore because they're now fingerlings . . . who have had their own fry! My husband who quietly goes in the other direction when he sees me near the tanks separated the fry from their parents and set them up in a 45 gallon! He's even debating with me about which is male and female, and he's quoting Goldie behaviour to prove it . . . he's been listening to me all these years! Ha! This is hilarious!
  2. Hi, Well I kept two fry, should have been a cull because it was shaped like a common with a tightly clamped four lobed tail. The other one is beautiful, red matt with wen and brocade scales on her caudal penducle. A nice four lobed tail, joined only about 25%. She has a great deep round body and is officially a Red Matt Oranda! However, I rehomed all my Goldies because I relocated and could not take them with me. Sooo. I'll be setting up a conventional tank indoors, I'd love to do green water outside, but my toddler would get in any chance he gets. What did I learn, Breed fry outdoors in green water with plenty of space. They grow huge incredibly fast and their colours are amazingly bright!
  3. Hi, I shopping for a sump, never used one, and I don't want to make my own until I have more experience with them. I'm going to put up a 75 gallon tank, and I'd like to use a wet/dry filter. Which sump on the market do you recommend, I would like super efficiency.
  4. Hi, Omega one is good, first three or four ingredients are whole foods.
  5. Hi Lupin, No I haven't had any floaty issues, I was surprised when oatmeal was listed as an ingredient, wasn't sure if Goldies could digest it, but it was listed in Goldfish Guide by Matsui and I think Axelrod. Apparently it's a mixture that's been used traditionally at Chinese breeding farms with success. Hi Chrissy_B, The oatmeal paste wasn't grainy, it came out just like putty, almost. And I didn't see it give off oil or anything else as it went down, or even after several minutes. However I didn't feel good about leaving it in the tank all day, I left just enough for one feeding at a time.
  6. Hi Trinket, I'm not sure what GW or DO stands for. Yes it's true that Goldies can be deprived of oxygen if the water is too green, that's why it's supposed to be kept the color of green tea. So far I've been keeping my fish like this for four years. Oh I forgot to mention to those who are interested that you must vacuum the bottom periodically, twice a month works well for me. The longest I've gone was about five months, and that's with full exposure to sunlight and the water never became to dark. If you vacuum too soon, you remove vital plant nutrients. Take too long, you could create a poisonous layer at the bottom of the tank. It's unfortunate that if someone offers a "different" spin on Goldie keeping---other than what's genearally pushed---they're treated with hostility. "Incredulous". Give me a break:)
  7. Hello, I finally tried this super simple paste recipe that was recommended by Dr. Matsui, a Japanese Goldfish scientist in the book Goldfish Guide. Oatmeal Makeral Boiled Egg Yolk *Garlic *Vitamins Just three ingredients, you can substitute the makeral for any other fatty fish, or use shrimp instead. It didn't leach, and my guys loved it. The book said Chinese breeders would leave enough around the cement pond to last a day. However I prefer to leave enough for one feeding, feeding three times a day. *I added the Garlic and Vitamins for various reasons---disease resistance, conditioning for breeding, vitality, color, finnage. Oh yeah, making it. I blended all the ingredientd, adding just enough liquid to turn the blades, then heat to soften the mixture, then refrigerate.
  8. Hi, "...otherwise they would get ammonia poisoning and die within a few days. I am still rather surprised that they are doing so well." I was motivated to get Goldies to live in "natural" conditions by Chinese hobbyist, past and present. They don't use filtration and they used cement ponds with success for hundreds of years. It's only in recent decades that they even added aeration, Re: Fancy Goldfish, Goldfish Guide--- I'm sorry I can't remember the authors of Goldfish Guide, I think one of them is Dr. Matsui. I accept Chinese methods of breeding and rearing as "tried-n-true", especially since they have superior quality Goldies. My fry tanks also have Myriophyllum, I add and take away plants depending on the shade of green of the water. To be honest, I find that people who "fiddle" with their Goldies less, are more successful,their fish are hardy and longer lived. Like here in the Tropics people are keeping Goldies without a lot of fancy equipment, without the cabinet full of medicines and they have beautiful thriving fish. My experience is "less is better". I think circulating the water would be even better, but so far so good with what I've been able to do.
  9. Hello, Rearing Goldies in closed systems with no filtration or aeration is something I wanted to know about, but never got a whole lot of info on "westerners" being successful at it. I've tried it and here's how I did it and what happened. I have three medium sized Goldies in about 50 gallons of water, not truly green because there are a lot of plants competing with the algae. There are cocophods(sp?)---little crustaceans that look just like tiny, green, shrimp---and wrigglers (mosquito larvae), and blood worms naturally occurring in the tank. This old refrigerator is outdoors in partial sunlight. I perform a quarter to a third water change once a week, with tap water and no water conditioner because I don't have any. I read a quarter to a third of chlorinated water can be added with no apparent harm to the fish, and so far this has proved true for me. Even the fry are thriving with this chlorinated water change. I feed home-made paste or gel food, earthworms, Cheerios, and occasionally flake food three times a day, making sure I feed only what they will eat in about 15 minutes, including foraging the bottom. They spawn after I've been feeding live foods for about a week, and then it rains or I do a water change. The Breeding tubercles indicate this also. The eggs are quite obvious on the plants, like little clear, perfect bubbles scattered around. The opaque white ones were also obvious, these are not viable. I removed sections of the myriophyllum with the clear eggs into an empty,green water tank outside thriving with the "shrimp". Green water was kept the shade of green tea, scoop water out and look at it. It looks much greener when in the tank, but when you scoop it out you can see the true color. I didn't feed the "outdoor" fry for about a month and a half. The fish I had in the kitchen, fed every four hours on boiled egg yolk looked like little slivers, compared to there robust counterparts outdoors. At about six to eight weeks I offered prepared food to fry. I think offering prepared food as soon as they can eat it is best because the fry that lives with its mother is larger most likely because she gleaned from what I fed the mother. This is low cost Goldie keeping. I think each Goldie needs 15 to 20 gallons of water. Absolutely no less than ten or they will run out of oxygen, this proved absolutely true for me. Lots of clean, fresh water is key.
  10. Hello there! My digital camera is on the blink, so I can't take any pictures this time. I had to move the mother---a Red Cap Oranda---into what was one of the experimental fry tanks because it appears she was in her tank with two males. I know one is a male because I had viable eggs but I thought the large Calico Fantail was female because it's large and hasn't displayed any breeding tubercles yet, and the belly gets pretty round, more so on one side. But my girl was looking exhausted and a little floaty---distressed. So I'm thinking maybe she's outnumbered. Anyway I didn't have anywhere else to put her then, and she's important to me so I put her in with the fry. One fry survived and it's even bigger than the other fry I thought was huge. It decolored to white with an orange spot on it's head. I wonder if it will develop a red wen, or wen at all. My "first big fry" the one living on its own in about 8 gallons of water, decolored to white, now it's gone back to a steel grey, on it's back. I was thinking ammonia burns, but it has so much water to itself and I feed very lightly once or twice a day because its belly is always bulging, so no left over food, and I've got a bunch of thriving myriophyllum in there, and the water is light green. So perhaps this is another phase in decoloring: Grey to white, to grey, to it's real color? People have been asking me for Goldies, so I'm going to put them together again and collect some eggs. This is so much fun! It's so exciting! My Six year old just excuses herself politely when I try to engage her in "Goldie Talk", and my husband won't come anywhere near a tank that I'm standing next to for fear I'll try to hold him in conversation. Go figure. . . .
  11. Hi! Well, out of 21 eggs in my kitchen, 13 hatched. I don't know how many hatched in my green water tank outside, but I counted about 10 eggs, so there were probably twice that many. The fry that I had indoors, fed on boiled egg yolk could not compare to the growth of the fry in green water, left to fend for themselves. The fry outdoors were huge, sporting big round bellies, scales, dorsal fin nice and erect, they looked liked full-fledged goldfish at 3 weeks! Even my most robust fry in the house couldn't compare. I've kept one fry it seems like it's going to be white
  12. Yup, it's a copepod, never even heard of them 'til now. That's great, my Goldies love them and there are tons of them. When the Goldies are in the tank, the "shrimpies" hide in the plants, but when I have a green water tank waiting for fish, the shrimpies swim around freely. I guess it's as good as feeding nauplii to the fry, or better since they thrive in fresh water! By the way, I have a few Fancy fry growing in green water with plants. I haven't fed these fry anything, just put the plant clipping with a few eggs on it and left them to themselves. The fry are huge at almost three weeks, more than twice the size of what I'm raising in my kitchen on boiled egg.
  13. Thanks Lupin, I'll check those leads out.
  14. The fry are 5 days old and all 12 are still alive with bulging bellies. One was a floater and seemed liked a "gone-er" but surprisingly is swimming around after 3 days of being stuck at the top. I can see them pooping now. I performed a 25% water change already because I don't have a box filter and the power filter is too strong. I made the change with green water from another little Goldie nursery I started outside. Gosh I can't wait to see what colors they'll be! The fry are from my Fancies. At the most, I'm hoping for at least one decent Fantail. I was never particularly impressed with Fantails until I saw how beautiful they are when they grow large.
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