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  1. Have been on here before re swimbladder regarding my black moor Ruby....i have not filled in all the parameters cus have done this time and time again and I know they are ok now ie no amonia, no nitrites, nitrates below 10...so easy to keep when you only got one fish in 20 uk gallon tank I had resigned myself to her floating on top of tank for times in between starving and feeding peas, but eventually found that she was ok all the time by feeding frozen daphnia. I kept up that diet all the time but was unsure if this was enough for a balanced diet so tried to introduce different types of food every now and again with the same result..............floating on top of tank. I wished I had left it at that but tried sinking algae wafers, leaving them in water for hours before feeding so they were really soggy, as I am going on holiday and wanted something that neighbour could administer easily, I can't expect them to defrost food and then give for a few times throughout day. Over a few days this really seemed to go ok until this morning when I left a whole wafer that had been left soaking overnight........I have come home from work and she is continually resting on the bottom of the tank!! This is so unlike her, if I knock on the tank she will move and swim around as normal, but cannot understand this staying still on tank bottom. I have gone from floating on top of tank which I seemed to resolve to now a problem of resting on bottom, I don't know what to do Obviosly I am not going to feed any more, see if it resolves and go back to frozen daphnia, but is there something I should be doing now? I do not want her to die she is the last of 4 fish that I acquired 6 years ago (2 have died and one is in a huge outdoor pond) I am hoping that by morning she will be back to normal, but my oranda that died started with the same thing, just laying on bottom of tank and I never really knew what was wrong with him, but this definitely only started today when I left the whole algae wafer in tank this morning
  2. Hi Daryl, Thanks for replying When I say floating, she does'nt ever turn upside down. She just rests listlessly at top of tank. She is able to swim around but does have difficulty swiiming to bottom of tank. This tends to happen immediately after feeding and can last for couple of days depending on what she has been fed. If fasted she returns to normal and can sometimes be ok if fed only lettuce peas brocolli etc I use frozen worms and daphnia. I also use hikari sinking wafers, even soaking them for 1/2 hr before feeding. I dont use any kind of flake food. I have made gel food in the past, mixing tuna with veg, but nothing seems to work No amonia or nitrites in water. I struggle to keep nitrates below 10. PH 7. I do 25 to 50% water change twice a week. Doing everything more than need to really to see if it makes any difference and I always hoover the gravel and is only approx 1" deep 2 things you have mentioned could be the cause of her problem. She was almost certainly exposed to amonia and nitrates when I first got her about 5 years ago when I did'nt know how to look after goldfish properly............too small a tank, not enough filtration, didnt cycle the tank, not enough water changes, feeding dried flake food etc etc. This could go a long way to causing how she is now but I think she has got worse recently. Another thing is temp of water. I have never used heater in tank as water never really got very cold but we have had a more severe winter than normal this year I have got a heater here somewhere if I can find it. I could put that in and stabilise temp more and see if that helps Thank you so much for all your advice
  3. Have posted on here a couple of times re swimbladder but I think there is no easy solution for my 6" black moor Ruby. I have tried all the diet suggestions but none really work 100% She may be ok for a couple of days but always ends up floating listlessly on top of tank. It got to the stage where I was feeding her more veg than substantial food just to see her swimming round normally, even the veg did'nt completely ensure that she would not float to top of tank I may be imagining this but I really think she looks thinner since I have been feeding more veg. Am I feeding her enough protein? I guess what I want to know is does this floating on top of the tank cause any pain or discomfort? I don't think she looks too happy floating on top of tank compared to when she is swimming around but I think I would rather feed Ruby a tasty and nutritious diet rather than worrying about what will make her float on top
  4. Thanks for all your replies, I did'nt know that about brocolli causing gas build up. I will stop feeding that and use other veg. I have done gel food in the past but it did'nt seem to make any difference, I thought it might have been because I was feeding too much and made portions smaller but this did'nt help. I have about 2 inches of gravel but hoover every time I do water changes. I've never seen her gulping air, and as for getting a pic of the grey like markings on her I have tried but it doesnt show in pic. I can only see it myself in certain light. Would she be ok on mostly all veg for her diet?
  5. I have got a black moor approx 7 inches with quite bad swim bladder. I only feed frozen blood worms,daphnia, Hikari sinking wafers, brocolli and peas She is fine if I fast her or feed veg but as soon as I feed her anything substantial she ends up floating on the top of the tank..................it is getting to the stage wher I deliberately feed her veg to see her active and swimming round tank but am scared that I am not feeding her enough protein I know I will be questioned about water quality.....can I just say that she is in a 20 UK gallon tank with more than enough filtration, nitrates below 10. I do everything to maintain water quality that I learned from this site in 2005 There is only one thing that is perhaps cause for concern. I noticed a grey like appearance at base of top fin travelling up and across top of fin. I was not sure what it was and salted up to 0.3% then over period of time treated with Melafix and Wormplus with no effect whatsoever, the grey tinge is still there but Ruby is still swimming around as normal Would welcome advice from anyone that could help
  6. Hi Newbie Thank you so much for replying to all my cries for help, I really appreciate the help I got from you and in the past from this site itself. But I cannot go on any longer hoping that Clive will recover. He is in a 25UK gallon tank treated with Wormplus. I have only fed him on minute portions of homemade gel food (to include protein in diet, advised by someone on this site) and various veg. I have used Melafix after prevoius Wormplus treatment, kept water as pristine as I can and really thought he was getting better. Before I went to work this morning I fed him with a Hikari sinking wafer for the first time thinking that he was ready to resume a more or less normal though modified diet and came home to find him upside down floating on surface of water, the worst I have ever seen him......................I really had to sit down and come round a bit, I have never ever seen him that bad before I was quite ready to do anything possible to get him better, but I cannot tolerate seeing him like this. I have done a 50% water change to try and get this wormplus out of the water, cannot change any more water yet as I think it is really stressing Clive out, especially as I removed him out of the tank into a small container to try and get some good photos to post, and wish I had'nt as he got really agitated and it was obvious that he did'nt have that much energy to start with, it has really upset me and I cannot bear to see him like this..............I have phoned a friend to ask her if she will put him to sleep for me. She cannot make it until tomorrow but says she will do it for me tomorrow. She is sympathetic but cannot understand why I should be upset about a fish He is now worse than I have ever seen him, he can swim when I go up to tank but at rest is floating on top of tank, sometimes with head down and tail floating on top of water, and sometimes he is upside down, it is awful to watch. I cannot put him through any more treatments, even water changes, he never used to mind me messing about with tank, used to eat out of my hand and was never bothered about what I did with water or ornaments inside tank but now seems nervous and agitated when I do anything with the tank I am really upset about this and cannot believe that he has deteriated so much, but thank you all for your help
  7. [*]Test Results for the Following: [*]Ammonia Level?0 [*]Nitrite Level?0 [*]Nitrate level?0 [*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? 7.2 [*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? [*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?tetratest, drops [*]Water temperature?78% [*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?25 UK gallon [*]What is the name and size of the filter(s)?tetratec ex700, aqauflow 200, hang on back type filter dont know make [*]How often do you change the water and how much? 50% 5 times in last 11 days [*]How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 approx 4" [*]What kind of water additives or conditioners?prime [*]What do you feed your fish and how often? gel food, sinking wafers and assorted veg [*]Any new fish added to the tank?no [*]Any medications added to the tank?wormplus added yesterday [*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?no [*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? finding it hard to stay at bottom of tank. When water had'nt been changed for 11 days (due to holiday) he was much worse. Water is better than I have ever kept it, I was hoping that it was high nitrates that was causing the problem. Thats why I now like to keep them 0. I added the wormplus yesterday and am going to leave it for a week There is nothing more that I can do. He looks quite normal when he is swimming but as soon as he stops he starts floating to the top and has a problem staying on the bottom, I have tried fasting him, then only peas for 3 days,, nothing seems to work. I have a day off today so am going to persevere and try and get a pic which shows the bulg on his back end
  8. Am back again and problem still not resolved, quick update...................Clive my Oranda has not been well for a while, just a change in behaviour at first, or not acting like he always had done but it eventually ended up with him having major bouyancy problems. One morning I found him upside down leaning against one of the filters, someone on here told me that it could have been because he was so weak he could'nt even swim against the pull of the filter................................. I initially removed him from his shared tank and kept him in clean salted water in a 3 gallon container (nothing else avaible at the time), after advice from this site I bought wormplus and melafix. Eventually transferred him into a 25 UK gallon tank (vacated by Stan my shabunkin who has gone into the most fantastic pond that I could imagine, kindly arranged by a friend of mine, he is only alive today because of the help I got on here about 3 years ago, hope you can do the same for Clive!) I went on holiday 2nd July and Clive was ok, not perfect, but I thought ok to leave. I returned 11 days later and it was obvious he was not. I did 50% water changes for 4 days running although not even sure that water was the problem, did them just in case, nitrates continue to be undetectable!!!!!! obviously because of all water changes, never had such good water but it is still not doing Clive any good Have started wormplus treatment again today, can only hope that this will do any good, at the moment he is resting nose down in gravel body just floating in water. There is definitely something wrong, but what I do not have a clue I am still convinced that there is a physical deformity in that there is a bulge on his right side (which no one else except me can see) I am continually trying to get a photo that I can upload for you experts to see, but have taken loads of pics which do not show the problem, I have 5 pix camera which I thought would have been good enough, anyway will continue to try, hope someone can help
  9. Thanks Trinket and Newbiefishgirl, just wanted to let you know that Clive is much better............still has a slight problem with staying at the bottom of tank but seems to manage. I still think he has a bit of a bend in his tail but am going to keep taking pics until I get one where it is obvious. Maybe he is always going to have buoyancy problems now as I can't think of anything else I can do for him I started giving him more veg for a couple of days and now he is on gelled food of dried shrimp, broccolli and organic tuna....he is going mad for it but am feeding him tiny amounts at a time. I have got 2 airstones, a spray bar from the external filter and a hang on back of tank type of filter, not that good as a filter really (media compartment too small) but good for extra aeration I am not sure of sex have always he was a boy, so just assumed really. Hope he will be ok while I am away, I will be straight back on here if he is'nt ha ha. Thanks for all your help
  10. Hi Trinket thanks for replying, I have only been feeding home made gel food, veg and sinking wafers for a while What I do not understand is that Ruby my black moor has always had swimbladder problems but I have always manage to control it by diet.............................this thing with Clive has seemed to come on over a couple of months but his symptoms have been much worse than I ever saw in Ruby Clive was always the hardy, tough more energenic one I have been been feeding him half a pea twice a day, and today started him on gel food, he is more lively and swimming around but Il can still see that he has to make an effort to stay on bottom of tank (he is now in tank on his own) (I also treated the tank with wormplus on Sun, gonna have to remove all that on Wed before I go on holiday) Am getting frustrated now cus do not know what else I can do
  11. Thanks for your reply Mustlov, but am really concerned now, I am in the UK so we do not have access to the medications that you have in other parts of the world He is not face down in gravel with body upright at moment (although has been like that) I am a novice when it comes to fish diseases but after salting to 0.03% for few days followed by wormplus and then Melafix for 7 days there was much improvement.................although, I personally think that improvement first occurred when I had him separated in container on his own, salted 0.03% and fasting him and then feeding peas..............................obviously the treatments contributed to him getting better, but then when I thought he was ok, he was upside down again, floating to to the top and unable to swim against the flow of water in the tank. The only thing I can think of that could have happened is that he gulped down the amount of food for 2 fish straight away..............normally I used to separate Ruby (black moor) and Clive when they were feeding because of obvious reasons but I could not do this all the time so am convinced that Clive ate more than he should have done which caused his relapse.....................please tell me that you agree that this could have been the reason I go on holiday in 2 days and not sure what to do
  12. Am sorry for starting second post here when I already had one in Disease and discussion but I just panicked. If someone could transfer this to my other post as it is not a life or death situation and I do not want to take up room here. Clive has now eaten another half of pea and though lethargic and seems to still have bouyancy problems at least he is not floating on top
  13. [*]Test Results for the Following: [*]Ammonia Level? 0 [*]Nitrite Level? 0 [*]Nitrate level? 0 (only cus done 100%water change) [*]Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? 7.2 [*]Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)? 7 [*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Tetratest [*]Water temperature? 75% [*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 25 UK gallons approx 3 years [*]What is the name and size of the filter(s)? Tetratex External 700, Aquaflow 200 internal. hang on back type of thing, not a very good filter but adds more aireation [*]How often do you change the water and how much? he has just been moved to this tank, previously was in 20 Uk gallon with a black Moor, water changes over past couple of months between 50% and a 100% a week [*]How many fish in the tank and their size? One oranda approx 4 to 5 inches [*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime [*]What do you feed your fish and how often? homemade gel food, Hinari sinking wafers, brocolli, peas and spinachwafers, [*]Any new fish added to the tank? no [*]Any medications added to the tank? at present no, gonna add worm plus later today [*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? no, but seems to have a small bulge to left hand side of tail, always thought for a while that his tail twisted to one side [*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Lethargy, sleeping a lot, floating to top, sometimes floating horizental, still eating ok He is not floating about this morning so at lwast is on the bottom, still very lethargic, starved him yesterday and fed him half a pea this morning which he has ate
  14. water def not proplem...... checked evrything....................all said in previous posts looks worse than ever,,,,,nose down, body upright,..........when disturbed swims around normaly. trouble swimming to bottom and staying there..................wish it was just swim bladder! going on holiday in 3 days, was going to add worm plus tomorrow and leave 7 days (then back from holiday) If swimbladder (and I hope it is) how on earth do I control..............only ever use sinking food or home made gel food cannot leave him for 10 days if he has got something physically wrong........................................he looks ok but seeing him struggling to get to bottom is really upsetting
  15. He is getting worse........................I know for definite now that it is not water......I know quality could not be better................cannot believe after all this time that he is goon suddenly gonna d die
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