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  1. It's been about a month and Bruce is hanging in there! His right side, which had the deep ulcer, is healed. The left side has been more of a struggle. The first photo is from about a week ago, still a little ragged. The second and third show maybe a little more healing since then. He's behaving and eating fine. I'm not medicating or swabbing anymore. Trying some new foods in addition to the Omega one pellets: Herbivore, Repashy Gold, and Spirulina flakes for variety. @Arctic Mama what are your thoughts on his chances for the long term? I would like to get more fish again. Will this always be an issue in this tank? Is it possible one of the fish carried columnaris last fall but it remained dormant until the water warmed up this spring? It's an indoor pond in a cool room. There were no additions of fish, plants or snails over winter. My previous three fish lived to be 18-20 years old in this tank and died May-August 2019. Never knew the cause of that. Got three new fish which did well until this happened in May-June 2020. I'm doing water changes every other day. The water parameters are zero like always. I was only changing 25% per week before this. Maybe organic or inorganic matter built up over time. I will change it twice a week or more from now on. That is the only major change I can think of. Also leaving the air stones running, which seems unnecessary but doesn't hurt.
  2. Thank you again, I do really appreciate your help. I will stop the Pimafix and finish the Triple Sulfa. Here's a photo of his right side, the site of the deepest ulcer. Hard to get a good photo without pulling him out.
  3. Hi @Arctic Mama Here is an update after a week.. mixed news. Dory unfortunately didn't make it. She stopped eating and swimming about a day after your last post. I had set up two air pumps and air stones along with the two tank filters. I think the problem was affecting her mouth and gills and I waited too long to take the necessary steps. She would take food in but it would fall out again. The "faded" color was actually a light gray film over most of her body, but she had no other external wounds. Bruce is doing okay. Still eating and swimming normally. I will attach a couple more photos. On his right side, the deep ulcer is starting to heal over. His left side, which wasn't as deep but covered a larger area, seems to be healing but still looks a bit ragged. He's been on two weeks of KanaPlex and I was thinking about stopping after the next dose. I have two more doses of Triple Sulfa. Also have been adding Pimafix to maybe help with fungus, it doesn't seem to hurt anything. How much longer do you think he should remain on antibiotics?
  4. Here's an update and a couple more questions for you please @Arctic Mama below. I decided to continue with medicating of the whole tank. It's currently on a second dose of KanaPlex and first dose of Triple Sulfa. The measurable water parameters are holding okay. Yesterday I removed each fish for a 30-minute methylene blue bath, hoped it would help clean up the physical injuries and knock back any fungus on them. I also just wanted a closer look at each fish. Part of the problem of having them in a tank that's so heavily planted with jungle val is that I'm only looking down from above and can't always see them well enough. The first three photos are of Bruce. He's lost so much pretty blue skin. Is this situation humane or are his injuries too severe to continue? I will say he seems mostly oblivious. Zipping all around and eating similar to normal. But I know animals can survive trauma they shouldn't need to endure. If we beat this, can his wounds ever heal? The second two photos are of Dory. She doesn't have visible injuries. The color on her back half has faded, was originally the same dark orange as her head. The area under her tail which I thought was damaged, I think is just her normal orange coloration but faded. The scales in that area might be more rough though. Her behavior has changed. She stays near the top of the tank, just under the jungle val, swimming into the flow. Kind of zombie-like. She will eat but then resume the pattern. Or she will find a dense area of jungle val in the flow and tuck herself in and just swim there, but again within an inch of the surface. Maybe it's affecting her gills? I don't see anything but I've missed a lot. Do you think oxygenation could be a problem? They've never gasped for air and have behaved normally until now. But I did inexplicably lose three 20-yr old fish a year ago with the same plants and equipment. I have an Eheim 3e canister filter and Emperor 400 hang-on filter. They produce a lot of flow, which I direct across the surface. The jungle val plants have grown tall enough to cover most of the surface and kind of drape across the top of the whole tank, maybe 80%. Could this be the source of stress? The measurable water parameters have been pristine. I have a "pond", the nitrification cycle works well. Tap water here comes in with some nitrates and the tank will remove it to zero. I'm trying to determine what the stress might be. I added an air stone and removed about 1/3 of the jungle val. Thanks for the continued suggestions and support. I really do appreciate your knowledge, interest and time.
  5. Thanks @Arctic Mama. My hospital tank is only ten gallons. Could I put both fish in there? One is 6 inches and the other 7-8 inches. Unfortunately I think they both have the problem now. Their home tank is home-made. A big cedar frame with a rubber pond liner pressed down inside it. Seems really hard to sterilize that. Would I dispose of the plants and snails etc? Or will I need to sterilize or dispose of it all no matter what - even if the fish can't be saved, the environment can't be trusted anymore. Would there be any hope of doing Kanaplex and triple sulfa in the home tank? I'm running a big dose of Kanaplex in there now after I saw they both were afflicted.
  6. Hello @koko and @Arctic Mama The fish is maybe a little worse but eating really well and hanging in there. Unfortunately I think the third fish is showing similar symptoms, same position on the body as well. Columnaris? Another bacteria? Why are they getting it on the same area of their bodies? They're on the second dose of KanaPlex now. I don't know if it's helping but the progression seems slower than the fish pictured above. I also have weak salt in the tank.
  7. @Arctic Mama Their mouths seem fine. The fish is eating like normal. Here are a couple more shots of the progression of the small fish. Total time from the photo a couple posts earlier til the last is five days. Middle photo was taken two days after the first. The last is in quarantine tank treated with KanaPlex, Pimafix and salt. He wasn't eating in that tank and spent less than two days there. The tail and fins don't look as good there either. From the front though I think they both looked fine.
  8. This is how it started on the smaller fish. Photo is from four days ago. I barely noticed it at the time, kind of blended in with the normal color. Then within two days the ulceration got worse and the area was covered in cottony fungal growth.
  9. Thanks @koko. For the fish that got the cottony fungal growth over this, I had set up a quarantine tank and treated with KanaPlex, Pimafix and salt. The fungus (if that's what it was) seemed to improve but the underlying condition didn't. Also in the photo, this is after two days treatment with KanaPlex and very light salt and I don't think it has improved at all - but at least no fungus so far.
  10. Hi Arctic Mama. Nope, I've never fed any live foods. No new plants or snails since last summer, before I got these fish. I'd like to do something. Whatever it is, it's happening very fast. Maybe something came in on the plants. I got the jungle val maybe six months before my three old fish (18-20 years) died. They showed no signs of trauma or infection, just gradually slowed, sank,, stopped eating etc. koko, I cleaned out the Eheim filter a couple weeks ago, usually every month or two when flow goes down. Nothing in the pond other than big jungle val plants in pots. I felt around on the pots and don't think they are sharp enough to do this kind of damage. Haven't treated the tank with anything.
  11. Please help me diagnose this fish. I have three goldfish in an indoor planted tank. Two have come down with a similar affliction and one has unfortunately already died. Test Results for the Following: Ammonia Level(Tank) near 0 Nitrite Level(Tank) near 0 Nitrate level(Tank) 0 Ammonia Level(Tap) 0 Nitrite Level(Tap) 0 Nitrate level(Tap) 0 Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) ph 8.2, KH GH 200+ Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) ph 7.8, KH GH high Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Tetra strips, API drops Water temperature? indoor room temperature Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 70 gallons, running 21 years What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Emperor 400, Eheim 3e How often do you change the water and how much? weekly 25% How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 3 days, 25% How many fish in the tank and their size? 3 goldfish, 6 inches What kind of water additives or conditioners? Seachem Prime, various bacteria supplements What do you feed your fish and how often? Omega pellets 1-2 times per day, algae, chopped peas occasionally Any new fish added to the tank? not since August 2019 Any medications added to the tank? no List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. None. For the fish that died I tried KanaPlex and Pimafix and salt, but I think it was too late Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? This has affected two fish. Both have a loss of skin, raised scales, and what looks like bruises, infection, and maybe a loss of muscle tissue. The placement is similar on both fish, two sides of the body back near the tail. The first fish, smaller and younger, also got fungal overgrowth of the damaged area and passed away. Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? The remaining affected fish is active and eating well. History: Indoor pond tank, running for 21 years. I had three 20 year old goldfish in it until last summer when all three died over a three month period. No known water issues, no signs of infection, I called it "old age" and replaced each with a small new fish. They've been together happy for 9 months. Minimal substrate, jungle val heavily planted in containers. Extremely hard water and high PH but I've always had that and the plants, fish and nerite snails have been fine. Noticed a loss of skin on two fish a week ago, red areas and "damage". The first fish died within two days of contracting a fungus. The second is photoed here. The third goldfish is a big slow sweetie and isn't hurting anyone, I see no similar damage there. Thank you in advance. I was lucky for so many years to have no real issues and now this.
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