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  1. Hi!  I am the West Coast Director for The Goldfish Council and helping to organize our 2nd annual West Coast Goldfish Palooza.    

    The West Coast Goldfish Palooza is an educational event with lectures, a competition for hobbyist, an optional judges school, a direct buy opportunity from some outstanding vendors along with some other fun activities like a raffle, silent auction, and hobbyist social.   General Admission is $10 (free for children under 13 with paying adult).  Optional Judges School and Competition are additional costs.  

    See details here and book tickets here:  https://thegoldfishcouncil.org/product/2018-west-coast-goldfish-palooza/2018GoldfishPaloozaBanner.thumb.jpg.8c9a3d27f691e8002de593a4388feaf7.jpg

  2. Hi! I am the West Coast Director of the Goldfish Council and helping to organize this year’s West Coast Goldfish Palooza. The event is an educational event with lectures, show and competition. It will take place at Genki Koi in San Jose on the weekend of June 30th.


    The Goldfish Council is planning to offer a school on goldfish standards and judging as an add-on option on July 1st for the West Coast Goldfish Palooza event at Genki Koi. This would be the second time this school has been offered. TGC will have revised standards and judging forms prior to this event. This one-day school is offered as a required step toward judging certification by The Goldfish Council. It can also be used as an advanced form of education.


    We will only host this school, however if we have enough interested participants. If you are interested, please send me, Mark Rausa, a direct message if this is something you would be interested in registering for or if you have any questions.


    Some details on the School Are Outlined Below:



    • Member of The Goldfish Council in good standing.

    • An active goldfish keeper for a minimum of two years.

    • Pay the $75 fee, which includes lunch and drink

    • Bring a paper or electronic copy of the revised standards


    Requirements for being a Certified Judge:

    • Take a certification class.

    • Pass the written on-line test

    • Complete ten hours of committee or event work for the TGC*

    • Apprentice judge one school certified by the TGC



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  3. Just took a look at the link.  This is really good advice.... especially this part


    "As you scrape the gills you should accumulate a nice bead of red bloodied material. When viewed with a microscope you should actually be able to identify gill material as it will be somewhat flower-like in appearance. Although a drop of water is Ok to help dilute the sample it is just as easy to squash it a bit with your fingers. The flukes won't mind"

  4. Yeah, no expert here.  I just know that I tried about half a dozen times and didn't get any actual gill tissue because I wasn't getting far enough due to not lifting the gill plate enough.  Yes, flukes are sometimes only on one side, and sometimes just on the top or the bottom section of the gill I've found.   I personally would only do this if there is an obvious problem that could not be addressed by general quarantine treatments like salt and prazi.  I only did the scraping because of just that...


    How are your fish doing? Sounds similar to the problems I'm having. Just curious if you've found some resolutions and any evidence in the microscope.

    At the moment everything is much the same. I've had my 3 plecs in a separate tank for nearly two weeks, has made no difference. I've got one more round of fluke solve to do. I just don't know what more I can do, nothing ever changes, they still sit alot of the time. What symptoms are your fish experiencing?

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    Just the behavioral symptoms now, but I've seen the same white spots as on your orange ranchu and treated him with prazipro for a few rounds in quarantine and the spots went away.  The others exhibit general lethargy, bottom sitting (the most during the morning and evening), gulping at the surface, swimming into the filter output stream.  Not every fish does the same thing, but all symptoms point to gill/oxygen issues meaning either gill parasites, low dissolved oxygen, or poor water quality.  It's not water quality or dissolved oxygen in my case.  I've scraped the gills and have found flukes, but I've been treating with praziquantel for almost 2 months now, so I think they are almost gone, but there is some gill damage that is continuing the fish to exhibit the "lack of oxygen" behavior. 




    How are your fish doing? Sounds similar to the problems I'm having. Just curious if you've found some resolutions and any evidence in the microscope.

    Maybe you could help out with simple instructions for preparing a slide? What instrument do you use to do the actual scraping of the gills? My fish wriggles around so much it's almost as if I would have to use clove oil to calm him down first.



    I use a PLASTIC cover slip for a microscope slide.  When I bought my microscope it came with class cover slips, I never tried to use one for gill scraping, but broke plenty trying to use it looking at other things, so make sure you are using a plastic one.  There is a great book, although it is getting dated with some of the medications, called Fancy Goldfish: A complete guide to care and collecting.  It has a chapter on Diagnostic and Health Management techniques that describe in detail how to take a scraping.  Some of the smaller goldfish can be pretty feisty and would probably need to be sedated, but I've never done that.  Not instructions on how, because I'm sure there are better ones out there, but my only tip is to make sure that you lift the gill plate with your thumb enough to actually get gill tissue, and the scraping should have pink/red coloring.  If you just get mucus, you probably won't find anything in the slide.  It's probably not cool to the author to take a picture of the book photos and post them online.... otherwise I would just do that.


    I'll see if I can find some better instructions than I could write and post them here.  I'm sure one of the mods have some better directions on how to actually take samples.






    Through trial and error most of us have moved away from Prazipro use, to be honest.

    This is good information to have. I am really impressed that hamanishiki is taking gill scrapings and looking at them under a microscope! I could not do this (too scared). 



    I'm too scared as well, I have my girlfriend do it and then I look at it under the scope.   She should've been a vet.  And we only scrape the ones that look like they are doing poorly (and are not the expensive ones) and usually only once every two weeks.  It's extremely interesting and probably going to be a life saver for these fish since we still know they have flukes despite a pretty extensive prazi schedule.    


    I think the powder is more cost effective and for some reason (that still doesn't make sense to me) is that the powder works with salt and that prazipro does not.

    PraziPro doesn't work with salt?  I have personally used it with salt, but only as a prophylactic.  I would be almost certain that if PraziPro doesn't work with salt, then praziquantel doesn't either, and there is no evidence for that.




    I totally agree that there should be no difference in the two (same chemical, same dosage).  Check out a couple of the threads on this forum about prazipro and salt use and you'll find that the Hikari stated their product is basically ineffective with any amount of salt.   In the prazi schedule pinned on the forum, it mentions using less salt with prazi... why?  Probably just experience and recommendations from the manufacturer.    


    Only thing I can assume from others experience that the solvent + Praziquantel + salt = no good.   Collective experience trumps manufacturers recommendations since we are really the testers of the efficacy of these products when used with goldfish, but both experience and manufacturers recommendation say no salt.  Only thing pointing away from that logic is common sense... how could one praziquantel product be different from the other unless it's the other ingredients?

  8. Thanks.  I was just taking a mason jar with tank water.  Seal it up and shake the crap out of it.  Then let it sit for about an hour or so shaking it every 15 minutes or so.  By the end of the hour it's dissolved enough where it doesn't get stuck on the side of the tank.  I'd rather do that than use vodka or soap.  But I just don't know how effective the powder has been despite the good reviews and experiences that I have read.  I think the powder is more cost effective and for some reason (that still doesn't make sense to me) is that the powder works with salt and that prazipro does not.  But there has to be another reason why prazipro is a solution the way it is other than just making the praziquantel pre dissolved.


    My latest approach has been salt dipping per the recommendations before adding prazi.  I switched to prazi pro (no salt in the tank) and have been dosing at 1.5x the recommended dose and increased my water changes to 100 (well really 99%).  Behaviorally the fish do not seem to be improving (still 3 fish intermittently bottom sitting, general lethargy, sleeping more often), but I haven't found any more flukes in the gill scrapings that I took a few days ago.  Maybe they just have some gill damage from the flukes.  They aren't on death's door or anything, but the improvement if anything seems slow.  Part of me wants to quarantine everyone in a smaller tank and sterilize all the filters and try to restart the cycle.   That's a last resort of course.  Doesn't seem to be getting worse, but 

  9. Thank you for the advice.  When you say salt dip, you are referring to the 3% salt dip per the instructions here, correct?



    Also, when using the powdered form of prazi,  I find that it does not dissolve well and had read about using vodka to dissolve it, is this typically recommended?  I haven't found any hard negative information, but I don't know how alcohol would affect the prazi.  Any experience or thoughts?


    I'm going to start the prazi schedule over again, except change more water and start them off with salt dips.  Fingers crossed.


    Thank you for the advice!

  10. I have a terribly stubborn case of flukes.  It is definitely flukes, I've taken gill samples and found them under the microscope.  I treated using the full suggested schedule listed on this forum for treating flukes with Prazquantel.  The fish seemed to be making progress as far as behavior, but during the last round of treatment, 2 fish began to bottom sit, 1 fish gulps at surface, and another swims into the outlet of the filter.  I had treated with aqua prazi powder and used .3% salt during the first two weeks of the treatment, but then slowly decreased salt for the next 3 weeks. I took another gill scraping today from just one of the bottom sitting fish (2 days after the last round of prazi) and still found flukes. 


    Does anyone have any tried and true alternative methods to praziquantel or does anyone else have failed experiences with aqua-prazi powder specifically?  I want to avoid using something that doesn't kill the cycle, but I've got to nip this in the bud, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.


    Thank you!


    Test Results for the Following:
    * Ammonia Level(Tank): 0
    * Nitrite Level(Tank):  0 
    * Nitrate level(Tank):  5
    * Ammonia Level(Tap): .5
    * Nitrite Level(Tap): 0
    * Nitrate level(Tap):0
    * Ph Level, Tank:  7.4
    * Ph Level, Tap :  8.2
    Other Required Info:
    * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?  API Liquid 
    * Water temperature?  72
    * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 125 Gallons - 6 months
    * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? 2 Hikari X-Large Sponge Filters and a Cascade 1000 (265 GPH)
    * How often do you change the water and how much? Typically once per week 75%, but the last 5 weeks I have been following fluke treatment water change procedures of twice per week 75%.

    * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Two days, 75%
    * How many fish in the tank and their size? 7 goldfish: 2 medium sized orandas, 1 small pearl scale, 2 small telescope eye, 1 large ranchu

    * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime, Equilibrium for GH, Baking Soda for KH
    * What do you feed your fish and how often? Soilent Green 2x per day and seaweed sheet snacks a few times per week
    * Any new fish added to the tank? No
    * Any medications added to the tank? Praziquantel
    * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Salted .3% for 2 weeks while treating with Aqua Prati
    * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? List all physical symptoms.
    * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? List all behavioral symptoms.  - Bottom Sitting, Gasping at Surface, swimming into the filter outlet stream



  11. My microscope doesn't have a camera, but they are exactly "to a T" the same thing in the video posted in the first entry.  The video is labelled "Tetrahymena".   They do not appear to be spiraling, but make the "3 point turn" when running into objects which was noted in the disease forum about tetrahymena.


    I think they can definitely cause disease:  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260996234_Comparative_Study_of_Infection_with_Tetrahymena_of_Different_Ornamental_Fish_Species


    Apparently they enter through the gills or an injury to cause internal infections and not the gut.  But I don't want these in the tank at the volume that they are right now.  

  12. Cool.  I won't combine those two treatments.  I may try the epsom salt first since I don't have Paraguard easily accessible and will have to amazon order it.


    I'll get on the filter cleaning, but I have caused mini cycles with the sponge filter cleanings.  I think the BB doesn't attach as well to the sponges as it does other bio material.  Maybe if I squeeze a little less :-)


    Thank you!

  13. I definitely will not treat with metro in food without first determining what these actually are.   I wish my microscope would take video so I could post.  :-/  But these buggers look exactly like the tetrahymena in the video I posted.  I also still suspect the tetrahymena because 3 of the fish in this tank were brought inside from an outdoor pond.  This pond has plants that had been purchased from a pond store which could have carried detritus with the tetrahymena on them.  I also understand that protozoa are going to exist everywhere but the volume of these in the fishes stool is what is most disconcerting.  


    I've read about epsom salt in the food before.  Haven't bought the paraguard yet and since this is definitely an internal problem.  Going to clean filters progressively first with a small water change as to not disturb the cycle.   


    Thank you for all the help.  I'm very excited to have found such a responsive forum


    The orange telescope has lodged himself into the plants to prevent from floating away.  Right before I took this video, he excreted a clear stool that did not have much structural integrity.   Everyone else is acting normal, but the ryukin and oranda (Both males) in this video are much more bloated than they normally are, you can see the bloating particularly by their vent.  Everyone is higher energy in the morning, so I may be able to get a video of the bottom sitting and variations in swim bladder control later today.


    Thank you for the help.

  15. Wow.  Thank you for all the quick and great responses. 


    Some more info concerning the fish.


    Some fish have feces that is coming out as just the casing, clear and stringy.  It's not constant, but when I look at the casing under the microscope, I see hundreds of these parasites.  


    Concerning the buoyancy.  One fish in particular who has never had any swim bladder issues since I have owned him has been both floating at the top of the water and then sinking uncontrollably like a rock within hours of one episode of the other.  His poo in particular is riddled with this.   


    I will clean the filters progressively (not all at the same time as to not kill the BB cycle), acquire some paraguard and start taking some samples.


    Has anyone seen this before in their fishes stool?

  16. Sorry this was my first post and just noticed the rules for posting in this forum:


    Test Results for the Following:

    * Ammonia Level(Tank): 0ppm

    * Nitrite Level(Tank): 0ppm

    * Nitrate level(Tank): 30ppm

    * Ammonia Level(Tap): 0.5

    * Nitrite Level(Tap): 0

    * Nitrate level(Tap): 0

    * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): 7.2

    * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): 8.2

    Other Required Info:
    * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API master kit w/ drops 

    * Water temperature? 72 degrees

    * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 125 gallons, 1 year

    * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? 2 hiker XL sponge filters and 1 cascade 1000

    * How often do you change the water and how much? Typically 75% once/week

    * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change?  1 day, 30%

    * How many fish in the tank and their size? 9 fancy goldfish, 4 adults, 5 juvenille


    * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Seachem Prime

    * What do you feed your fish and how often? soilent green 3 times daily

    * Any new fish added to the tank? Brought in fish from outside pond

    * Any medications added to the tank? None

    * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.  Fish are quarantined before entering this tank (apparently I didn't do a good job).  Treating with Prazipro (or parasite guard if a new fish had anchor worms), salt treated fish in QT at .3%.



    * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Bloating

    * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Lethargy, buoyancy issues, color fading

  17. Hi All, 


    I've taken some fecal samples of my goldfish and noticed a shocking volume of what I believe to be an intestinal protozoa parasite that looks exactly like these under the microscope:


    I found on this forum that tetrahymena rarely attacks internally, but I have many goldfish that now have this in their feces.  


    There are hundreds of them in each fecal sample.   


    I cannot find any information as to what other type of parasite they could be.  Does anyone know if tetrahymena is often found in goldfish feces or if this is a different type of protozoa that I could treat with Metronidazole?


    Thank you!



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