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  1. Wow! That's a gorgeous fish! Do you have any "themes" to the names for your other fish, or is it sort of random?



    Cute fish!


    Thank you!...


    Shahbazin.. I don't have any themes.. some of them my kids name them some other I named after I see some of their personality..

    However.. I've seen some "cooool" names here at kokos so I just hope someone comes up with "that special one".. :D

  2. Every week I drive around town to see if I get lucky and find a good looking ranchu or a tele-butterfly..

    But after several months of driving I just gave up..  :( ..

    My town has NO butterflies at all and just "a handful" of very low quality ranchus


    I've been "rescuing" goldfish from the local LFS's but I thought it was time for me to get a "healthy & w/ potential" fish..

    I'm against spending hundred$ of dollars on a fish but I came to the conclusion that I'll never have what I really like if I don't dig into my pockets.. 


    So.. here it is!!!


    A cute little juvenile from Jennifer Lynx (solid gold) first tryout..


    They're not very good pics because he/she just arrived an hour ago and I don't want to stress him/her that much..



    Ah!.. and if you guys can come up with a great name.. Let me know!!







  3. I don't know 210oranda!  One minute your fish was fine and the next you saw it bent?  Perhaps post a photo of your tank that he came out of.  Any decorations he could have possibly injured himself somehow?

    Well.. He's the smallest one so every day I have to "fish him" (w/net) & feed him individually so I don't know if "fishing him" 2-3 times a day can mess up with his plates.. Everyone else is faster so if I don't "net" him, he wouldn't get any food..

    (I don't know any other way to feed him besides catching him w/ the net :( )


    Here's another video.. Now I don't know if is the gill plate (bent out) or something else sticking out..



    Maybe one of your fish started having a bad habit of doing that and the others are copying his behavior.  (a thought)



    Yep!.. my tricolor ryukin started this.. now everyone is doing it..

    I hope I don't have to lose him for "this behavior" to stop.. :no:


    I started today with Jared's suggestion and with repashy gel they didn't spend as much time at surface..


    Actually the ryukin (who started this behavior) spent only about 30min at first.. then minutes here & there throughout the day..


    However.. (volume wise) the amount I gave them in gel wasn't as much as the amount I give them of pellets so I don't know if that can affect the behavior

  5. You could try an elimination diet.  Just feed them one kind of food for a day or so and see if the behavior changes.  Reduce to 2 meals a day for a while.  Record your results.  Start with the Repashy first, then the Hikari Lionhead, then the bloodworms, then the other pellets individually.  I say this because I feed mine Repashy Super Green, Hikari Lionhead and frozen bloodworms and they don't gulp at all.


    Well tanks!..  :) ..  I will definitely try that..


    Beginning tomorrow AM, I'll start recording their specific diet/behavior 


    I thought about it a couple of weeks ago but I was concerned about the "mini" Lionhead pellet size..

    I have a very small tele-butterfly and I don't know if it will be uncomfortable for his digestive system feeding a pellet "that size".. it is not as small as the Hikari red or the Omega1 but not too big either..  I'll try it anyway..


    I just came from work and fed them a cube of bloodworms and some peas.. they're gulping.. :undecided:


    I've thinking about what "Artic Mama"  said and it (kinda) makes sense..

    I mean.. if they're imitating the ryuking that originally started all this and somehow they (do) get "some kind of nutrient" floating at surface they're gonna continue doing it since their favorite activity is eating..


    Thanks again.. I'll keep posting if something different happens

  6. My three big fish gulp their food down like that's going to be their last meal.  I think it's a pretty normal behavior for them.

    You might want to try to just fast them for a day or two than after their fasting feed them a few de-shelled peas and see how they're doing.

    Gulping like that is not a normal thing.  So you do have reason to be concerned.  I hope this will be something that goes away with time.


    Have you tried a new food that could be the culprit?


    Food is the same that always has been.. combo of Hikari red, Omega one & Hikari Lionhead

    I don't know if mixing three different brand (and size) of pellets in the same meal, makes it wrong..  (I don't see why)


    Actually on mid March I started with the Repashy gel but I believe repashy is one of the best foods out there..


    Everything started with one of the ryunkins, then the ranchu, then everyone else..

    I don't know if they're imitating or really finding "that" protein layer that floats on the surface


    But like you said.. I don't think is normal to spend 6hrs+ gulping on the surface

    I'm just scared that is something in the water I cannot trace or something already inside them.. (hopefully Im wrong)

  7. What beautiful fish you have. :)  They gobbled all that up pretty fast.  Maybe try giving them the amount of the first drop of food into the tank for their feeding and see how they do.  Or you can feed them lightly in the a.m. only and not feed them in the evenings and see if they improve.

    Thank you..  :)  And you're right!.. they eat everything I give "as if it was a race".. :feedme:Scoff:  everything is gone in less that 1.5 min (2min tops)

    I don't know if it's normal or if it's a juvenile "eating" behavior (trying to get as much as they can before someone else eats it all)


    Im going to reduce their feeding but Im trying to educate myself and I just can't explain why is "starvation" a solution for their "gulping habits"..

    I mean, I fed them 6hrs ago and I just saw the tank and there's a couple of fish motionless at the top gulping air..  :undecided: 


    I really hope there's nothing to worry about.. :blush:

  8. They look really healthy.  What a great bunch.  What brand of food is it?


    Well, thanks!..


    So spending a lot of time at surface throughout the day is nothing to worry about?


    Food used:

    In the morning I mix in a cup some Omega1, some Hikari Lionhead & some Hikari Extreme color (red bag) pellets..

    Afternoon, repashy soilent gel.. Evening, Hikari bloodworms or peas (w/ brine shrimp three times a week)


    Im going to reduce the feeding to repashy gel in the morning & bloodworms w/ peas in the evening until cycled if you think that will help

  9. Is the gulping behavior occurring right after feeding?  If so, I wouldn't worry too much as this is common.


    I would reduce their feeding to once or twice a day and add Prime daily until the tank has cycled.  Any ammonia and/or nitrite can stress the fish and more food creates more ammonia. 


    Did you Prazi them for the flukes?


    The gulping occur after feeding but what concerns me is that it has been over an hour since I fed them and three of them are still at surface

    A few weeks ago it was only one ryukin that did this throughout the day.. now it is three of them that stay for long periods of time throughout the day


    I've been adding prime sporadically between WC but not daily, I will add the prime as suggested until cycled


    I did use (liquid) Prazi Pro for flukes while QT..  4-5 rounds, 4 days with, 2 days w/o



    I've recorded this video "of feeding".. I honestly don't know if Im overfeeding but as soon as they finish they go to surface and as I said above three of them stay long periods of time throughout the entire day...



    • Test Results for the Following:

      • * Ammonia Level(Tank)  .25 to .50

      • * Nitrite Level(Tank) .25 to .50
      • * Nitrate level(Tank) 10 to 20
      • * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0
      • * Nitrite Level(Tap) 0
      • * Nitrate level(Tap) 5
      • * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.3 to 8.5  - KH 300 - GH between 25&75
      • * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4
      • Other Required Info:

        • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API drops

        • * Water temperature? 77-79
        • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 125G  -  two months
        • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Eshopps WD75-CS & Fluval FX6
        • * How often do you change the water and how much? Twice a week, 40%- 50%
    • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Sunday, 45%

    • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 7 juvenile, 2-4 inch
    • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? prime
    • * What do you feed your fish and how often? mix of hikari red bag, omega1 & hikari lionhead in morning..
    • repashy soilent in afternoon..  hikari bloodworms, brine shrimp and/or peas late at night
    • * Any new fish added to the tank? no
    • * Any medications added to the tank? none
    • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. New tank, fish added to this tank after QT in another tank
    • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? No
    • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Gulping at surface for prolonged time
  10. Even thought I don't think is a big deal it's really killing me not knowing why are they doing this.. or if they're hurting


    Im in the understanding that GF's gulp at surface when in need of oxygen, when they have flukes or (after feeding) looking for some protein layer that floats on the surface.. 


    However, all of my goldies spend a lot of time (1hr+) at surface after feeding and some of them spend quite some time throughout the day..


    I have a 125G tank with 7 juveniles. They have a 4' bubble wand so I know is not oxygen.

    Im in the process of finishing the cycle. I still have some ammonia & nitrites (<.50) so I do 40-50% WC twice a week.

    My ph is 8.3 - 8.5


    This guys "passed" QT.. most of them showed "flukes" (yawning, spitting out) and a couple of them (even) dropsy while in QT


    If there's something I can do to find the source of this behavior please let me know.. 





  11. I'm so sorry.  :k055:


    Have you disinfected your tanks before bringing home a new fish?  All of the fish have been from the same source?  This may seem like a rude question but do you have any fish that have made it through QT and are still alive?  (I'm not blaming you at all--just trying to figure out if its your fish supplier, water, etc).

    These below..  (also) the surviving ranchu, the calico :rip:  & the pompom :rip:  are from the same LFS..

    The fish below are (in my understanding) happy in their 125G


    I got the ryukin calico, chocolate pompom & the (surviving) ranchu at the same time.. being treated in same 10gal QT tank..


    the little pompom died after the second round of prazi, the calico died (today) after 3 doses of antibiotics & several ones of prazi..

    the (surviving) ranchu which I thought I lost on the first round of antibiotics (6 days ago) somehow came back to life

    He isn't doing great because spends a lot of time at surface, "like not being able to swim to the bottom" but at least he's alive & eating..




    by the way.. I clean the QT tank with vinegar every time I bring new fish and every time I do a 100%WC

  12. The calico is gone.. :rip:

     She was laying on the side moving slowly but stopped breathing a few minutes after I wrote my last message (30min ago)


    Im breaking my head trying to understand this.. I mean, what am I doing wrong!?

    I know for a fact that this guys have been at the LFS for months w/o problems but now that I bring them home they die!


    I understand that sometimes they just have bad genes or hidden diseases but how do you explain that they were "ok" several months in China (from birth), then "ok" several weeks in California (golden phoenix fisheries) , then "ok" again several weeks here in Texas at LFS.. then they die in my hands


    Now I only have the small ranchu who's been eating some but stays most of the time at surface.. and when I throw some pellets it seems that he has difficulties to get to the bottom... :no:

  13. I would also put some prefilters on those intakes.



    Nothing else I can think of . . .  :idont



    Is there anything I can do to help this fellow???  :(

    He/she hasn't eat in 4-5 days.. this morning she/he looked "semi ok" but now is laying on the side with one side of the belly swollen


    They had yesterday the 3rd dose of Metro/Kana







  14. Go with the kana and metro . . . and prazi.



    I would also put some prefilters on those intakes.


    I started yesterday with the antibiotics (+ prazi) & decided to turn off the filter to avoid for the fish to do extra effort when swimming..


    Im a little sad now because the little ranchu is just floating at surface, being push arround by the airstone's bubbles..

    He/she doesn't move much.. I really think im gonna lose him/her soon.. :(


    if there's any additional treatment you think it might help to get him/her back to life please let me know so I can try it

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