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  1. I saw some "sympathy" from Manu.. I first I thought that the oranda was getting sick as well but as soon as I made some movement in the water, the oranda left Rocky and ran over to me hoping for food..


    These two came from the same LFS at the same time   (They were QT together)


  2. The breathing looks labored.  I know you are maxed out with tanks right now, but I'm afraid he is going to need to be separated.  What meds are you treating the other Tele with at the moment.  Maybe you could treat them together?


    I really cannot handle any other "separation".. I'm literally driving myself crazy with the maintenance of 3 QT tanks and one main 125G


    I have the other other (adult) tele with salt (.3%), prazi liquid (double dose) & Metro flake food


    I have another butterfly from Jenny (Solid Gold) by itself in a 10G tank.. However, Jenny's fish looks super healthy so I don't want to risk to bring something to him from Rocky


    Rocky is getting skinnier.. I have been "netting" him (to separate) from the others and see if he eats..

    He gets a couple of pellets but as soon as the other fish smell the food they run to the net (where Rocky is) so he spits everything out (not enough time to slow-comfortably chew)


    LisaC... Rocky passed a month of QT (two months ago) with salt & prazi


    Taryl...  Besides "hidding" in the plants.. there's not hiding place for the fish

    I don't have any decor or substrate besides a couple of plants

  3. I guess I've been spending a lot of time with the new arrivals, (mailed fish) that I've been neglecting my existing juvies..


    For the last couple of days I've checking an odd behavior with Rocky the tele..

    He does not eat & doesn't move much and another little (2") ranchu it has been picking on him..

    This guy is only 1.5"-2" and weights 4 grams..


    The tank is finally cycled (after 3mo of cycling) so I don't think its water quality issues


    How can I diagnose (or help to solve) his problem ??.. I don't see any physical injury that I can describe





    * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0
    * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0
    * Nitrate level(Tank) <20
    * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0
    * Nitrite Level(Tap) 0
    * Nitrate level(Tap) 5
    * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.2-8.4
    * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4
    Other Required Info:
    * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API drops
    * Water temperature? 78-80
    * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 125G - 3months
    * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Fluval FX6 & Eshopps WD75-CS
    * How often do you change the water and how much? Twice a week, 40-45%
    * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Sunday, 45%
    * How many fish in the tank and their size? 8 juveniles from 2-4inches (head to tail)
    * What kind of water additives or conditioners? prime
    * What do you feed your fish and how often? (Last three weeks) Repashy soilent green AM - Hikari bloodworms PM
    * Any new fish added to the tank? no
    * Any medications added to the tank? no
    * Any behavioral changes? No eating, bottom sitting
    * What symptoms are being displayed? not physical


    Meds available: Metro, Kana, Bifuran, triple Sufla, Prazi (liquid), Antibioric food, Antiprotozoan food & salt



  4. The red and white ranchu is gorgeous! I don't see anything alarming about his swimming in the video.

    Metronidazole is best delivered in food, but you can use the water borne powder if the food is too difficult to feed.

    The breeder that gave me this food told me the same thing.. Metronidazole is better in food..

    However, I can't spend 30 minutes feeding one fish (twice a day).. I have another 11 to feed!!


    Perhaps its because is the first time he tried it..  and (obviously) the food doesn't taste great..

    I will wait a day or so for the tele to adjust to the food.. If after that I still take forever, I will follow Lisa's suggestion   :)

  5. It's no problem.  The internet is a blessing and a curse :)


    Go ahead and post a video of the Ranchu so we can see what is going on.  Considering the condition the Telescope was in, I think the salt treatment is a good idea before introducing them into your system.  


    This is the video of the ranchu which I think has some kind of floaty issues..

    As I said earlier.. I've never owned a full size ranchu so I don't know if tilting forward or the bouncing on the floor is normal.. ?? :idont

    The smaller black ranchu next to him doesn't do that, neither the other ranchus I have in the main tank





    Is treating with Metroplex same as feeding with metronidazole (flake) food ???

    Im asking this because it takes FOR EVER!! to do one feeding

    Because metronidazole is water soluble, the active ingredient will only stay in the food for seconds

    the manufacturer advise to feed what the fish can eat only within the first 5-10 seconds.. If not eaten within the first 20 seconds, food should be removed

    so it's like a flake at the time "until this 6 inch fish gets what he needs"! 


    Hopefully there's a better way :hummm

  6. Nkara is a brand new member to that forum and gives no source for this information.  At one time people on this forum warned that NaCl could cause water retention, but extensive research in scientific and veterinary literature  found no support for for this idea.  


    If you want to shop the internet for suggested treatments, you will get conflicting information.   For new fish we always recommend contacting and getting his/her recommendation.  If you don't trust the breeder, you have to find someone you do trust and follow their advice.  


    I can assure you that Jared has spent many hours studying the treatments recommended by fish veterinarians, as opposed to comments on forums.  You don't have to follow his advice, but please don't try to piece together your own treatment from various sources.  It doesn't work.


    I didn't mean to disrespect (if that's the case)..

    Im so thankful that I even found you guys to help me educate myself & suck less at fish-keeping


    I'm not trying to combined info for treatment.. It just happened that I read that article and I thought of asking, that's all..

  7. I did not say that Ranchus tilt forward when at rest.  I said that very short-bodied Ranchus with peduncles that are too short tend to tilt forward when at rest.  When we started the 0.3% salt, you had not mentioned any buoyancy problems.


    So, currently we are not treating these fish for floating issues or bloat.  We are treating the Telescope for external fin and skin damage and a possible internal infection. You are feeding the Metro food, correct?


    The 0.3% salt for the other fish is a standard external parasite treatment for new fish in quarantine :)

    You're so right.. I guess I just read too fast the other comment (tilt forwarding)

    I didn't mention nothing about the floaty issues w/ the ranchu because I didn't wanted to mix information/treatments w/ the tele (which is the one I believe has a bigger issue)

    I brought that up now because of what I read elsewhere..


    And yes.. I'm feeding the metro food, starting tonight..


    I'll keep the 0.3% as normal procedure until I see a severe floaty issue w/ the ranchu..

    I (perhaps) might be seeing things, I never had a full grown ranchu so the way he swims, eats & tilt forward is unusual for me

    I can shoot a video to clarify.. or I can open another thread if needed to avoid mixed info

  8. Does the source you read explain how a higher external salt concentration makes the fish retain more water?  

    This is what I read..



    I got confused because I know I'm supposed to keep this guys (w/ salt) for a month or so while QT but some people in the other forum says otherwise if having floaty issues (including the breeder supposedly)

  9. Jared.. I read (from you) that ranchus lean forward when resting..

    I guess that answers my concern about my new red/white being almost vertical (facing down/ tail up) a good amount of time of the day


    However.. looking at the way he swims & eats, I think he has floaty issues..


    Him and the other 2 are in the 20G with 0.3% salt but I read that salt makes everything worse when having buoyancy problems because of the fluid retention salt create and therefore goldfish suffering from an inability to keep themselves upright are experiencing internal swelling.

    They recommend to use epsom salt instead (1tsp per 10G)


    What are your thoughts about that ??

  10. How is he doing today?


    He seems to be (& look) a little better.. still clumsy swimmer and bottom sitting.

    The way that him and the red/white ranchu eat is a little wird.. they see the food and chase it.. but they miss it..

    They swim around the food (gel/pellets) for a while until they finally get it.. I don't see "that" in my other (small) juvies


    I finally had a chance today to set up his temporary housing so I cant describe much progress just yet. however, I do see less red on the ulcer (or whatever that is)


    He is in his 1st day at 0.3% salt & double dose of prazi.. I'll feed him tonight some medicated food to see how he does


    If there's anything I need to know please let me know





    That's really nice. Is it normal for them to stock fish that nice?

    Thanks!  5 out of my 6 fish are from there.  They aren't cheap, but they are cheaper than the online auctions and I don't have to pay for shipping.  I think the quality is just as good, too :)


    This in NOT fair!!.. How come there's nothing like your fish south Texas.. !? :wall

    (supply & demand)


    Great looking fish!!.. Congrats! :D

  12. I would try to pick up a second QT tank.  It will be easier to see and monitor the injuries than in a bucket.  Maybe you could get a second 20 gallon and quarantine 2 fish in each?  You could use a divider to keep the injured Tele separated.  I agree that you should probably do 100% daily water changes if your pH allows for this.


    For now, if you are not concerned abut the seller's warranty, I would start raising the salt to 0.3% in 3 doses of 0.1% over the next 2 days for all of these fish.  It might be a good idea to separate the sick Tele and start him on one of the medicated foods.  Remind us again what the antibiotics are in each of your foods.


    0.1% salt = 1 teaspoon of aquarium salt or 3/4 teaspoon of canning/picklng salt.


    Im trying to get another tank today.. it's just hard because I already have 3 tanks so I don't have much room left.

    Im aging water overnight to be able to do 100%WC daily..


    The antibiotic food has Kanamycin Sulfate and the antiprotozoan food has metronidazole


    I'm gonna have him in a bucket today.. hopefully I can figure out something about the tank(s) distribution area



    Let me know how to proceed (besides salt)

  13. Even if the seller didn't send the extra tele I know 3 fish is still a lot for a 20G..


    My plan was to have one tele & the ranchu on the 20G

    and the little black ranchu (2.5") in another 10G I have with a tele (almost) ready to move to the main 125G


    The seller really messed me up by adding another adult tele..

  14. With 4 fish in a 20 I can't say I'm surprised there would be picking. I hope you can get the fish fixed up but I also don't know how big a deal I'd make of it considering you are providing a tank not suitable for more than 1 fish.


    I wasn't planning to have 4 fish in a 20G QT (c'mon).. the seller decided to send an extra butterfly without consulting me if I had room for it

    (I will explain the reason the seller sent another fish in another thread)

    I have a 125G ready for them when finish QT.. but I cannot risk to contaminate my healthy stuck by adding this fish right now


    Im doing from today on 100% WC to keep ammonia out of the equation.. (or I perhaps will be able to borrow a 40G breeder from someone locally)


    Right now I just need advice w/ the injured tele.. Non of the mods are "online" so I just gotta wait for someone to help me out in how to proceed

  15. Finally home from work..


    This is NOT gonna be a smooth quarantine.. I don't think 50% WC daily is gonna do the trick (too many fish in one small 20G)


    I took a few more pictures but I couldn't get a "super clean" shot because of the slime coat..

    However, the injury is right next to the pelvic fin (upwards) so I dont think it is on the vent.


    I took a side shot.. hopefully you can appreciate the flesh sticking out (or scales)


    I still see him bottom sitting throughout the day, only moving when food around (clumsy swimming)


    Because I didn't get an answer about using the 5G bucket I haven't separate him or use salt



    Please let me know how to proceed..









  16. I did sent him an email before I discovered this injured to explain what I experienced on their arrival but he doesn't accept any wrongdoing.. (i sent the pictures last night after I started this topic but he hasn't respond)

    he did say that the fish could've be just fine if I wouldn't have asked for him to wait for the following week to shipped.

    Im going to start a thread about this (very expensive) experience along with contacting the Better Business Bureau, my bank (for a refund), Yahoo, Google & whoever else I need to, to make a point

    But today.. I want to save this little fella's life.. PLEASE HELP

  17. I won't be able to answer this in the morning so here it is..


    * Ammonia Level(Tank) <.25
    * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0
    * Nitrate level(Tank) 5
    * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0
    * Nitrite Level(Tap) 0
    * Nitrate level(Tap) 5
    * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 8.2-8.4
    * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4
    Other Required Info:
    * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API drops
    * Water temperature? 76-78
    * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 20G QT, 3 days
    * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Pinguin 350, floss only (not media)
    * How often do you change the water and how much? Every day 50%
    * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Today 50%
    * How many fish in the tank and their size? 4 fish -- Ranchu 4.5" - Ranchu 2.5" - Tele 5.5" - Tele 4"  (I know im over but it's only while QT)
    * What kind of water additives or conditioners? prime
    * What do you feed your fish and how often? first time today, bloodworms & Hikari red bag
    * Any new fish added to the tank? 4
    * Any medications added to the tank? not yet
    * Any behavioral changes? poor swimming, bottom sitting,
    * What symptoms are being displayed? Torn fins, blister/ulcer between pelvic & anal fins


    Meds: Metro, Kana, Bifuran, triple Sufla, Prazi (liquid), Antibioric food, Antiprotozoan food & salt

  18. What I'm looking for on the body and tail is whether it is smears of fuzz or slime as opposed to fraying/rotting. In a glass with high room light or diffuse flash should help get better shots.

    I did try it but he does NOT stop moving..

    I took this video which looks way better in my phone (vs you tube)

    I'm gonna let him rest tonight and perhaps try again tomorrow


  19. Please give me a few minutes to fill up the form..


    If you experts can see pictures below and tell me if I need to do something (now) to better/save this guy.. I'll do it immediately




    I received this great looking tele yesterday morning..


    He/she arrived w/ several tears on tail and pelvic fins so it has been in the corner (facing backwards) all day..

    I turned on the light of the QT tank tonight after day and a half of darkness to look for any abnormalities and to my surprise I see this tele swimming funny and being picked on..

    I keep an eye on him for several minutes to discover this redness flesh / ulcer / blister.. etc


    This guys cost a lot of money for the seller to sent him/her like this..


    I don't know what to do or how to treat that injury.. PLEASE HELP!













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