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  1. I think I'm going to try no food after 7 PM for a couple of days and see if that helps, it'd save money and let me not waste good food.
  2. I'm going to this big store this week and they have a lot of obscure stuff so I'll look there at some prepared foods. Or if I make a gel food I think I'll make my own but how do you proportion it so they get what they need but not too much of it? And how much agar agar to other ingredients?
  3. And she's floaty again.UGH! I just gave some FBW to help. At least the food was only $5. I'll try to get some stuff for a gel food soon. How do you store it in the freezer? I've made it before but it stuck together like crazy. Can you bake them into like pellets?
  4. I got 4.2 oz of the small Omega One pellets and they enjoyed them and so far she isn't floaty *knock on wood*
  5. I think I'm going to try Omega One. I know a lot of people hate the ethoxyquin but here is a great (and short) article on preservatives as well as other nutrition. It's pretty interesting. I'll see about getting FBW today, we are going out anyway. If not, the ice chest would work. Don't know why I didn't think of that, we keep fish in insulated lunch boxes when we get them if it's too cold out, so they are just about always in our car.
  6. Alright, thanks. I think I'll try Omega One pellets (I like the brand and use it for most of my fish) but if I find something else I might try that. I'm running low on bloodworms so I'll pick some up soon but the store is about 1 1/2 hour from here so it would thaw and refreeze, which wouldn't be good. So I might have to hold off for a week or so. How is the HBH food? I don't know if they have one specifically for goldfish, but the ingredients look pretty good. Has anyone tried it, particularly for floaters?
  7. I've been feeding my fish NLS Thera+ A for a while but one of my fish is starting to have problems with floating. Wasabi (an oranda) is prone to floating so I have to feed peas and fast, usually at least once, sometimes twice, a week. I should be going to this big fish store soon, and I'm going to look at getting some Repashy (probably Super Green, maybe Soilent Green) if they have it. If not should I get some Omega One pellets or Hikari Lionhead? What is best for floaty fish? (I'd prefer it to be prepared not gel)
  8. Stunted:"slowed or stopped abnormally in growth or development." (Dictionary.com) "The common goldfish, so popular on fairgrounds, are among the largest, and they are capable of reaching over 18 inches and 10 pounds. Even the smallest breeds can reach between 4 and 7 inches" (http://www.tfhmagazine.com/details/articles/goldfish-myths-debunked.htm) "common goldfish can reach up to 10″ and fancy goldfish can reach up to 8″" (Can't post, from another forum)
  9. On second glance, yes it probably is. Oops. Here's a better one from my LFS He was raised in a pond with a bunch of other fish, he wasn't alone. He is approx. 2-3 inches from the glass. What conditions were the fish in the studies raised in? How long were they in poor conditions? What were they fed and how often were they fed, how often and how big were water changes, were there any, what's the tank/pond size, how many others were in there, whats the oxygenation level, were they ever sick if so with what? Assuming that the fish were in perfect conditions and then lived to be that age is extremely naive.
  10. Exactly. Assuming that an owner doesn't know which fish is which and is mistaking them is ridiculous. 7 inches might be okay for fancies but in a proper environment, commons and comets will grow much larger, they will also live longer than 6 years. Normal Albino Iridescent Shark/Albino Shark Catfish (Pangasianodon hypophthalmus)-Note the straight spine. Stunted Albino Iridescent Shark (on left, normal juvenile on right)-Note the extreme curve to the spine Normal Redtail Catfish (Phractocephalus hemioliopterus)-Straight, even slope from dorsal down to tail. Stunted Redtail Catfish- Dips in topline between dorsal and adipose and adipose to caudal fin. Lack of muscle along caudal peduncle. Proportions between head and body are skewed. And some full grown goldfish: I don't think that's 7 inches in body length.
  11. They have the potential to grow large yes, but they are very likely to have been stunted. They stunt their growth when given stressors. If a feeder tank at a chain store is not a stressor I don't know what is. How many people have looked bred and raised their own common in a proper environment and compared it's growth to a fish that is purchased as a feeder that should be the same age (using a sizing chart as reference for it's supposed age) and grown them both to full size to see which gets larger/lives longer? If you go by the research article you provided originally, they are only supposed to grow to around 7 inches but up to 23. 7 inches is not full size but how many keepers here own a fish that has grown to more than 20 inches? Was that fish the 6 years the studies are saying most are when they die? The evidence there is fairly lax so I don't think that anyone should base life expectancy on that when many, many fish have out lived that.
  12. cont. In short, growth hormone is suppressed and altered by "stressors" in an environment. It is extremely possible that the normal growth hormone is altered to become a stunting hormone. Saying that a normal common bred solely for food as a feeder is not potentially stunted is as false as saying ammonia in an aquarium doesn't exist. (I posted the above because I was running low on edit time and had to fix a thing with the link. I couldn't go back and re-edit it to add to it)
  13. I will admit that further research into the topic led me to find that a growth stunting hormone isn't really the right wording for it and while scientific evidence is lacking on the topic, a similar hormone exists. Read more here: http://www.seriouslyfish.com/stunted-growth-means-stunted-lives/
  14. The first study says that the common goldfish usually only get to 5-7 inches but it also says 4-8. Yet the max is stated as 23 inches in one section of the article but only 16 in another. I would not personally consider this reliable. The second study was also not conducted on fish kept in the trade. Most commons are kept in horrendous conditions and are already stunted in growth which can reduce longevity and skew off the keepers view of age. You could think they are only a few months old and they could be nearly a year or even more. Goldfish produce growth stunting hormones that kick in if they are crowded, cramped, or aren't getting enough food. It's supposed to stunt other fry nearby but in tanks it backfires on the fish in aquariums. That's why they can survive in bowls and not grow at all or very little in a few years time.
  15. Ya, regular water changes are a must with that thing but you could grow some little things like succulents or other small house plants. But a filter and heater and light are needed. And it makes it sound like you don't need to feed the fish but you definitely do. And oil isn't really good for bettas as it can clog the gills and labyrinth so they can't breath.
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