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Zinedane

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  1. If you're concerned about what the fish may be bringing over from the pond as far as disease, I wouldn't use any filter media from the pond as that may also be contaminated. :idont

    Good luck with the QT. :)

    My Bad! sorry :( anyways i removed the media from the pond and replaced it with a sponge from the 30G.

    Thanks!

    Hope the QT goes well :D Any pictures of the fish? :whistle

    I hope so too and thanks! :) i'll post some later in the evening. still got classes. :)

    I hope your qt goes well with your fish. May it also go by fast with no worries.

    Thank you! :)

    Well, first step accomplished. Way to get it done! It's really nice you cared about helping the Oranda and even better, you found a way to make it happen in a hurrry, too, Chances are you helped the Oranda dodge one and maybe several bullets by getting him to safety when you did,

    Please update us often, If you can post pics, more is always better! Do you give uour fish names?

    Yup i have high hopes! :) and thank youuu! alright will do update this thread often. :) I have named the Ryukin, Ryu. :teehee go figure XD and haven't really named the Oranda just yet.

  2. Well, i just put it in their so it would kinda help the tank's parameters and water quality. Still going to do Big water changes everyday though so don't worry :) atm, i can't cuz i don't have testers with me atm. my LPS doesn't carry them for some reason, but don't worry as soon as i can look for one in the next one i'll post it here. :) and currently nope, usually we don't have heaters in our tanks as Philippines is a tropical country and i find it that the water's temp. stays pretty stable.

    and Thanks! :) just couldn't resist it.

  3. Well, as stated in the Topic title. I finally got an 8 Gallon tank (Extra tank from my Brother) and used it as a QT for the Oranda that needed to be transferred to my 30gallon Tank with my Ryukin as stated yesterday in my other thread because of Water Quality and over stocking issues in the Pond.

    I'm Gonna be using this thread for updates and Questions in the long Process of the Quarantine. So any suggestions, and answers to my fairly curious Questions would be much appreciated! :) and btw, i did put a box filter inside the Tank , got filter media from the pond too to also try to get good bacteria. Would still do Big water changes everyday though. :)

  4. im hoping for the best though for the Oranda! :) I really feel the Urge to get him/her and put him/her in the 30g.

    it's already 10pm here though so it'd be best to do it tomorrow. I'm sure he/she will get through the night.

    Resist this urge at all costs! At least, until after 4-8 weeks of successful quarantine. I think I know what you mean, though.

    You sound like a man of decisive action -- awesome! And apologies, the time difference escaped me. You're pretty wise to get good rest, that's key for everything else. Personally I've made mistakes and also have read about others' disasters when trying to do fish care late at night.

    Got it! XD wouldn't want to get any more additional problems at the moment! and maybe i guess, i always try to be very effective in everything i do. That's why i tend to ask properly first before getting myself into anything. It's like gathering info. first before taking the plunge, as what's taught in our class about management and marketing. and that's fine! :) that's what i think so too, and it'd be pretty unwise running around the house so late at night while everybody else is sleeping. XD

  5. i Actually found out now that we have a spare 8Gallon Tank lying around LOL! One of my Bro's old tanks. anyways, can i use this as a QT?

    how long can i keep the oranda and my Ryukin in the 30 Gallon Tank?

    Koko's moderators may say it's not perfect, but -- we gotta do what we can, with what we have.

    Sure, use the 8 gallon tank as a quarantine tank. Start today as soon as you can! fwiw we always use 27- or 30-quart Rubbermaid-type bins, that hold 7 gallons more or less. When there's no filter for the QT you just have to test and change the water every day. Some say (weloveteaching.com/puregold) it's actually better to give a sick fish 100% new water each day!

    bodoba (is that Una?) already said it about the 29-gallon tank. Water testing will tell you if your fish get too big, because the chemistry will start to fluctuate with wastes going up quickly where they once were stable. Plants can help a lot. Quite possibly you'll never need a bigger tank for just the two of them.

    First, though, rescue and quarantine the poor Oranda. Sounds as if some salt in the water may be called for right away...

    Alright! Use the 8 Gallon as QT it is! and it'll be the first thing i do once i go home tomorrow from school, as i have classes tomorrow from 7 am to 3 pm :) im hoping for the best though for the Oranda! :) I really feel the Urge to get him/her and put him/her in the 30g.

    Ohh! Now i get it! :) sorry if i didn't get it the first time! I hope so though that maybe i'll never need a bigger tank but still I am very willing to upgrade it sooner or later! :) and Will do! :) it's already 10pm here though so it'd be best to do it tomorrow. I'm sure he/she will get through the night.

  6. It really depends on the growth of the goldfish how long they can be kept together. Most big growth is done in the first two years of life and then the goldfish levels off but of course that is not the case for every goldfish. Again it depends on the goldfish,what type of diet they are getting and the water quality provided.

    I don't really have a definite number for you but I'm sure they could be housed together for at least a two year time frame. You will know better when you check your levels at the weekly water change when your nitrates are starting to creep up. There's also the whole world of plants that you can get into to manage some nitrate waste as well. But it is very addicting as many can attest. :)

    Ohh, so it means that it will really be quite okay for a while? but does it assure that they will grow to their full potential, as long as i follow the 20Gallon for first Goldfish and another 10 Gallon for an additional Goldfish? or the 15 Gallon each rule?. And does this mean that even if they are full grown, just as long as i can keep up the water Quality everything will go well?

    Well, I've also been leaning to put plants in the Tank but due to budget or funds constraints i still have yet to go to my LPS. XD

  7. Hi! It's great you're concerned about your brother's fish including Oranda. I'm really worried about the Oranda too. Of course, protect your Ryukin's health above all.

    imo the Oranda is at way bigger risk in its present location than from any possible chemical exposure from a temporary container, which is a remote risk at worst and hypothetical at best.

    My understanding is that GF are best not kept with Koi unless in very understocked conditions with lots and lots of room. iirc Koi bully the GF and compete for food to the GF's disadvantage.

    If you can get any plastic storage bin like Rubbermaid or Sterilite at least 100 liters/30 US quarts or larger, grab it to use as a temporary/QT! If you're willing to do the water changes (basically, daily), all you'd need at first to rescue the Oranda is the empty container. I'm right there with you about the funds btw.

    GF do like and thrive with having another GF for company -- a healthy eventual tankmate for your Ryukin, likely both will be very happy. Although it's the smallest tank that would be recommended, 29 gallons is very safe for two fancy GF. Of course water quality has to be monitored but this is true of any tank. Likely the 29 gallon tank will be big enough for quite a long time. Some say, fish grow somewhat more slowly if they're in a small-ish container, so that should help here.

    If you decide to rescue the Oranda, quarantine her/him at least 4 weeks and preferably 8 weeks NO MATTER WHAT. If you'd like to rescue him, do it at the very earliest possible moment you can manage!

    Nothing like Craigslist where you are (Phillippines?)? Let's start a business! CL has succeeded very well here.

    Yup i'll try to get a large container! :) that's if i get some funds atm. and i Actually found out now that we have a spare 8Gallon Tank lying around LOL! One of my Bro's old tanks. anyways, can i use this as a QT? and if so though. how long can i keep the oranda and my Ryukin in the 30 Gallon Tank?

    well there is Nationally but not Locally, it's mainly focused on the Northern Island (Main land).

    Best wishes and best of luck! As far as your Bro goes, from your posts it seems like you care a lot about him. :)

    For schooling him on Koi pond stocking, it's kind of like some situations with our teenaged kids -- "You can either believe me now, or find out the hard way later."

    Of course, he is my Brother most of all. :) and *sigh maybe he'll learn sooner or later! thanks a lot for the input btw! :)

  8. 50 gal is too small for koi. They have very specific pond needs with the minimum size being 1000 gal. That fish most likely died from compiling disease and parasites due to water quality. If your brother doesn't listen there isn't much yu can do.

    Definitely qt your fish. You can start a thread and we will help you through the process. :)

    As your fish grow larger watch the nitrates. If they get too high you will need to be doing two or three large water changes a week instead of one large weekly. The other option is to get a larger tank, you could also be fine. It depends on the growth of the fish and the quality of their water. :)

    I know but he just doesn't listen to me. *sigh and i think the problem is that too, as some of the fishes in the pond have died recently without any reason. Alright, well i'll try to get some funds to get a QT.

    Alright, thank you for the much appreciated information! that's if i get the Oranda in time though. I'll be watching him/her closely. but if i do put both of them in the 30 Gallon Tank. how much time do i have before i need to upgrade? hopefully, as i graduate my course i can upgrade but that'll be two more years or so if everything goes well. does it depend on their growth rate?

    Alright :) , I guess roughly 50 Gallons? it's kind of small. that's why i told my brother that he's quite overstocked but he doesn't listen. so Oh well.

    and no i don't think so that the Oranda has been quarantined in the past. but i don't see him showing any signs of infection or what not, even the Koi look healthy, I leave everything in the pond up to my brother.

    Unfortunately 50 gallons is not an adequate size to house koi and goldfish. Koi can grow quite large, although they do emit a growth inhibiting hormone. Realistically, the koi would be better off in an exponentially larger body of water (the general consensus on here is 300 gallons per koi with 1000 gallons minimum). However, if you've already told him and he has refused to listen, then there's not a lot that can be done about it unfortunately.

    This thread is in similar vain to yours.

    http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/112854-just-curious/

    Oops, Una posted whilst I was distracted.

    Yes, i'm pretty well aware of that. It's what i think one of the info. I read here on the forums. Sadly though my Big Bro doesn't quite listen to me. Maybe because he thinks fish can LIVE in a small sized tank or pond. He doesn't take in to consideration that they will thrive. *sigh. and thanks by the way! :)

  9. You can do qt in a container, like a sterilite. Maybe just put a few dollars aside each week..it can be done inexpensively. Do you have listings where you live for people looking to get rid of equipment cheap? Something like craigs list we have here?

    I'll try to look for one, all the containers I see here are Plastic and i'm afraid that it may leak harmful substances to the water, and sadly No we don't have something like Craigslist here locally. Anyways i'll observe the Oranda for a while. Thank you all for answering my Question! :)

    as long as the container says it is food safe it should be ok

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

    Alright, Thanks! i'll try to search for one when i have some funds. :) it'll be a pretty useful QT.

  10. You can do qt in a container, like a sterilite. Maybe just put a few dollars aside each week..it can be done inexpensively. Do you have listings where you live for people looking to get rid of equipment cheap? Something like craigs list we have here?

    I'll try to look for one, all the containers I see here are Plastic and i'm afraid that it may leak harmful substances to the water, and sadly No we don't have something like Craigslist here locally. Anyways i'll observe the Oranda for a while. Thank you all for answering my Question! :)

  11. You should definitely observe longer, because to keep your ryukin safe you'd want to quarantine the oranda before they were put together. Slipped my mind at first, sorry.

    Alright! That's what i was thinking too. I'm quite afraid that if i put the Oranda in the 30g, My Ryukin will also be put at risk and sadly too though i don't have a QT. don't quite have the Funds to buy equipment and what not.

  12. Thanks all for Answering my Question! I don't know for certain though if i'll be upgrade sooner or later that's why i'm not really confident in housing both of them in the 30 Gallon. and Dan, I think so. well that's what my brother says. Do Koi really pick on Goldfish? because as far as i've been taking my time and observing the fish in the Pond. It's still a 50/50 between it's the Koi or they are just plain sick as the fish that suddenly died seemed to have problems.

    Unless you have tangible evidence for the koi bullying the goldfish, I think it is best not to jump to conclusions. How large is the pond?

    Well, maybe the best solution would be to continue on observing the fish right? i'm also kinda afraid to house the Oranda in the 30G as it may pass on some disease to my Ryukin. :(

    Sorry I didn't see this post. I think the best course of action would be to observe them first. If there is, in fact, bullying, then you can separate them. Were the pond fish ever subjected to a quarantine treatment?

    Alright :) , I guess roughly 50 Gallons? it's kind of small. that's why i told my brother that he's quite overstocked but he doesn't listen. so Oh well.

    and no i don't think so that the Oranda has been quarantined in the past. but i don't see him showing any signs of infection or what not, even the Koi look healthy, I leave everything in the pond up to my brother.

  13. Thanks all for Answering my Question! I don't know for certain though if i'll be upgrade sooner or later that's why i'm not really confident in housing both of them in the 30 Gallon. and Dan, I think so. well that's what my brother says. Do Koi really pick on Goldfish? because as far as i've been taking my time and observing the fish in the Pond. It's still a 50/50 between it's the Koi or they are just plain sick as the fish that suddenly died seemed to have problems.

  14. Well, Good evening fellas currently my question is about stocking. As all of you guys know, i have a 30 Gallon Cycled Tank with a Powerfilter/Top Filter that only has one inhabitant. My 1" Ryukin (I think?) but currently the problem is that one Goldfish in my brothers Fishpond is getting bullied i guess by his Koi Fish, as one died earlier today. I actually know the problem is that he is overstocked in his pond, well yeah the reason for that is he doesn't listen to me so i always leave him be. but right now i feel very sorry for the Goldfish that's left in the Pond, an orange Oranda so i wanted to put it in my tank but i don't know if i'll be overstocked or not. Any suggestions guys? I pretty much need suggestions before i want to take any action.

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