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  1. P.S.: Beyond the general similarities -- as you pointed out -- Goldfish aquaculture is entirely outside my field!
  2. dnalex, Guilty as charged. Thanks again for trying to help save the little fish. We all did our best. At the LFS his chances would have been zero, though, I'm thinking... For best results you just have to have a culture, stain, smear, or other definite organism ID, don't you? Next goal: a vial of Baytril on hand -- not just a pre-measured syringe. A not-so-hot microscope is available, although sadly it prob. couldn't resolve bacteria.
  3. dnalex, Thanks for your reply. That's sort of as expected, more or less; with antibiotic or other appropriate therapy the "patient" should stop getting worse within 24 hours and it takes around 72 hours to see definite improvement, you know? Well, this has been said for certain mammalian bipeds, anyway... Sadly the poor big (little) rescue Oranda did not make it. 8^( He -- I think, based on pectorals -- was worse yesterday morning...obviously weaker although rallying a bit with a water change, then growing weaker all day until he died about 9 o'clock in the evening. Do you ever have ideas pop in, that leave you wondering whether they're your cosmic "little bird" intuition or just stupid random impulses? Maybe or maybe not, but sometimes this question gives me serious fits. Yesterday morning at water change it seemed maybe there was just a whiff of gram-negative aroma; you know, like GI flora, bringing up the question of a quick change from Metro-Med to Medi-Gold. Then the Greek chorus chimes in, "You know you shouldn't switch antibiotics willy-nilly; give them time to work" etc. etc. The poor Oranda had rallied just a bit and getting some Medi-Gold into him quick might have helped... In the afternoon, by the time even the Greek choristers couldn't claim things weren't bad, the poor little fish was beyond saving. Oh, well...chances are that if he crashed that quickly, a few hours of different-spectrum oral antibiotics could not have helped. The small amount of Baytril on hand was cloudy and unusable. [Edit: btw he was producing ammonia the entire time so I'm guessing his swelling/dropsy signs were from infection not kidney failure] Thank you to you and everyone who read and offered help. Koko's GFF is pretty new to me, but the Forum culture of insisting on accuracy, thoroughness, and precise detail sure is feeling nice...
  4. Hello Koko's Forum, thanks to everyone for reading and, if you would, please answer a question -- how soon should Calico Oranda show improvement, if the treatment / antibiotics are right?
  5. @ 4prettyfish Thank you so much for your kind words and well wishes!
  6. Noted re number of feedings per day. After testing a couple more times, it appears something new is up with the tap water pH. It is quite unusually high. But that's why we test, isn't it? Time for new water conditioning / buffering strategies for the other tanks needing wc's! After 60 minutes in zero salt, the Oranda is still active and seems unfazed. Will add the Epsom salt at 1/4 teaspoon/10 gallons. Again, thank you very much.
  7. Yes, either 3 pellets four times daily or 4 pellets three times daily. Some days it may have to be 3x. Ideally speaking, would four times a day be better? Just now confirmed again: KH and GH out of tap is 17.9 ppm or less. Straight from the tap, pH is 8.8 / off the scale!! There's some water that's been aging for a couple hours (since this morning), pH is about 7.4-7.6. This is typical for aged water from our system. There is enough water for 100% change with QT. Will test pH again and maybe bring up a little closer to tank which was 8. IMO it would be good to lower the tank pH just a bit but prefer to avoid as much as possible stressing the Oranda. Thank you so much for your help and reassurance.
  8. Thank you for fast reply! Thanks also for the feedback about the post. It's taken some practice! Just now s/he weighed 33 grams. With digital pocket scale 1% of that body weight came to 8 pieces of MM (330-340 mg). Does that seem correct? Half just went into tank and fish snarfed two of the four right away. Thanks also for reassurance about constipation. Off to change water. The tap water itself is really soft, GH and KH around 17.9 ppm or less. Gold Buffer isn't readily available (but is on order) so tap water usually gets supplemented with Prime, baking soda, Seachem Equilibrium, Seachem Neutral Regulator, Kent Liquid Calcium; and occasionally with Seachem Alkaline Buffer in order to approximate tank pH. Otherwise possibility of pH crash??
  9. Ammonia 0.0 ppm now (between 0 and 0.25 ppm before water change) Nitrite 0.0 ppm (before and after water change) Nitrate between 0 and 5 ppm KH 161 ppm GH 89.5 ppm pH 8.0 Temperature 80-82º F Tank: Rubbermaid 7.5 gal. QT (this is only QT available) How long set up? 2 days. Heater? Yes. Airstones: 2 Filter? No; daily 100% w.c. Water: Conditioned tap (city) water, aged 24 hr. Occupant: 1 rescue Calico Oranda, ~ 3 inches nose to tail tip Treatment so far: Metronidazole (Seachem) in tank water @ 2 scoops/10 gallons Gradually added salt to tank water, at 0.2% with today's w. c. (digital meter). Fasted for 48 hours Today fed blanched fresh (baby) spinach in veg clip 1. History: A. At LFS the poor fish struggled to swim straight, often drifting around head down or sideways. Moderate fin rot with no redness or other marks. Clear-eyed. Gills normal color. Hard to tell about swelling but seemed plump. Other GF in tank seemed OK. Water was far, far from pristine IMO. Appealing with pudgy little face and body, a cute Oranda. Felt sorry for the fish's circumstances and apparent brave struggle so rescue. Working diagnoses on arrival at home: constipation versus poor water quality and/or internal infection/infestation. B. In QT with clean water seemed to feel a little better. Swimming poorly controlled but better; fish good and active. Normal green poops after spinach today. 2. Problem: Noticed pineconing scales after water change just now. Please note this was immediate -- put fish in new water and looked right then. In a hurry to get fish into new water, didn't look closely before water change. Links to two videos: 1st is seen from above 2nd is from beside tank; translucent plastic tank wall cuts detail 1 still pic (pineconing looks worse in person): http://s848.photobucket.com/user/taz1107/media/Oranda%207-26-2013/Oranda006.jpg.html 3. Plan at this point: A. Change to tank water with Epsom salt 1/4 teaspoon per 10 gallons; no other salt B. Temperature 80-82º range C. Continue metronidazole in tank water D. Immediately begin Metro-Med food. 4. Questions: How to wean quickest and safest from 0.2% sodium chloride to 0%, and switch to Epsom salt? Add praziquantel to tank (Prazi Pond Plus powder)? How to avoid constipation on Metro-Med (Seemingly constipation wasn't the problem since normal green poops appeared shortly after spinach, but idk for sure) Any other recommendations? My first pineconing GF to be still active and hungry. Thank God (reverently) that s/he is! Hopefully that means s/he may recover. Thank you very much for your help.
  10. Thanks for the scholarly discussion! What's the consensus on how long to keep the plant in chlorine solution?
  11. @bodoba Thanks -- our posts must have crossed in transit just now How long would you recommend the plant stay in the bleach solution, please? And you're exactly right! Ironically the QT Anubias is growing and doing great, now nice & green & bushy.
  12. @Heidi030 Thank you for your kind support. Poor little fish He had such a sweet friendly personality. Forum posters seem to be preferring bleach and ChelseaM mentioned 1:19 dilution. How long should the plant stay in the bleach solution, and is this OK for Anubias species? We've used PP in past. Although I can't prove that even after PP this plant didn't make our little QT fish sick, other than that, no known incidents. I don't think the plants we've treated with PP (Anubias, mostly) would last through 24 hours' treatment with PP. If left for much more than 15 minutes, their roots seem to change from green to brown & they either don't make it at all or don't thrive afterwards.
  13. Swim free in Rainbow Pond little buddy...see ya someday http://s848.photobucket.com/user/taz1107/media/Kosimo/iPhonepicstransferred6-06-2013069.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1
  14. Thanks again. I'm inferring that you'd prefer bleach to potassium permanganate?
  15. Thanks for your reply. So -- treat with either and you'd feel comfortable putting the plant in w/healthy fish, true?
  16. Hello, Please tell us what you think...we just lost a Fancy Goldfish from unknown causes after about weeks 8 of QT. At the same time as the fish, we also got an Anubias to help (maybe a little) with water quality and to help give the little fish a more inviting home. Now the poor fish has died but the Anubias is doing great. In the past, we've used 10 mg potassium permanganate per liter of water x 15 minutes (about 2.5mL Jungle Clear Water per U.S. quart of water) for plant quarantine. Do you think it would be safe to treat the plant with KMnO4 and then move it into the regular tank with all the healthy fish? Thank you for your input, Steve
  17. Update poor little Kosmo died at about 1:00 this morning. From desperation and trying to follow Dr. Untergasser's flow charts, I added metronidazole to tank but the poor little fellow just kept getting weaker. Thank you to the Forum for your help and support Would it have made a difference? Who knows, but he did so well the first few weeks of QT I let myself get blasé and didn't complete courses of Minn-Fin and Prazi. If bacterial or viral it wouldn't have mattered but still... *bangs head on desk* Thanks again everyone!
  18. You are so right in both respects, we really appreciate the Forum and Forum members and Kosimo and the rest of us thank you for your well wishes I believe (hope?) it's a good sign that, given his bad shape like you wrote, he's still hanging in there and doesn't seem to have gotten worse. (Wishing) God's love to all his creatures Regards, Steve
  19. Hi again, here's the latest Little Kosimo is still hanging on! Now, we're taking take this as a good sign OK? He's still very weak but moving his pecs and whatever fins are just behind the pecs (ventral?) more than yesterday. Also seems to be moving gill covers more like normal when breathing. Breathing doesn't seem excessively labored or agonal and he isn't gasping for his breath. Getting ready to do a water change for today, I guess like the Goldfish Guru writes about daily WC's. Hopefully hanging on means he's going to start getting better. You read that it takes three days after starting antibiotics before there is any obvious improvement Or possibly the disease is at bay for whatever reason, but he really would need some other treatment he's not currently getting in order to recover. He has whitish poop, I'll try to post a pic. No bubbles -- it's kinda ribbonlike, shaped like ribbon hard candy (in contour). Tapeworm? idk It just disintegrates like poop if prodded. Would a helminth just dissipate and dissolve like that? Attempted pic below. Your comments are welcome and will be so much appreciated! Steve http://s848.photobucket.com/user/taz1107/media/Kosimo/Kosimolabeled6-04.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
  20. Thanks on the Seachem -- will do. Another question to ask the Forum. Little Kosmo is still with us this morning altho still really weak. He's breathing and can wriggle a bit but he just gets carried by the filter's slight current, upside down or whatever. He might have been early pineconing last night. He wasn't swollen much and another water change last night removed almost all the aquarium salt. This morning no scales-in-relief and that's a relief! He had a zig-zaggy white poop last night but no bubbles or things that looked like eggs (a really young fish anyway). fwiw he got another Baytril dose this AM. He hasn't eaten since Saturday, three days ago, so the question is would you all give him a little bit of baby food pureed peas (by mouth) with a plastic-tip syringe? Thank you again, Steve
  21. @Ms.Jenny Thank you for tip about Seachem Gold buffer. I'm unaware of this product and will change that right away thanks to your rec! And it seems promising; Seachem's stuff seems pretty sound all around, you know?
  22. Thanks Alex! Us too. Answering earlier question: if I have this right Dr. Johnson, the FishVet (drjohnson.com), recommends 0.1 mL Baytril for a 6-inch fish, given every 2-3 days. Assuming Kosmo might be pushing 3 inches nose to tip of tail, he had 0.05 mL of Baytril by mouth yesterday and today; before next dose probably will skip a day (because FishVet recs). These dosages are said to be for injection. Unsure how plasma levels after oral route would compare. Suggestions welcome!
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