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  1. What an appealing little Oranda! Nice tank. Thanks for posting link. Hadn't yet seen your other thread. It's good you have pics. Soon it'll be hard to believe / hard to remember when he was this cute and small. He's going to be big and handsome soon.
  2. Has Mochi made the big move yet? Everything went OK, true? Bet M. is thrilled to be in new, larger quarters. From what I've read pH and temperature are key as above but fwiw also the closer the hardness (GH, KH) of the water in the two tanks, the easier for the fish. Supposedly if the difference is too great it can be tough on the fish. Going suddenly from really soft to really hard water is worse than going from harder to softer (?) iirc. Perhaps another poster can add to this. Of course if the water in Mochi's tanks is from the same source and has been treated / buffered similarly most likely this isn't a concern, fortunately. Keep us posted. Pics too!
  3. Unfortunately you posted what's seemingly an uninformed, or incompletely informed, and -- more outrageous still -- patronizing response after a simple answer to the OP's question. I have been through Immunology, undergraduate and graduate (have you?), not to say I'm a wiser man for it but I can follow most of the basics. Invertebrate Zoology, too, and the scars are there. Sadly I made the mistake of taking the bait and trying to make sense of the criticism, which I ought not to have done and for which the OP and Koko's are owed a huge apology So -- I'm sorry, it is my fault, and I apologize. It truly was stupid of me and, again, I apologize. Never again. That said, if there is such a thing as professionalism among hobbyist forum moderators, bullying, patronizing, and being condescending to forum members ain't it.
  4. Innate nonspecific immune response... Don't most -- nearly all, in fact -- bacteria and viruses reproduce/replicate faster at higher temperatures? And the host benefits from higher temperatures when the increase in the effectiveness of host immunity, especially but not limited to the (specific) antigen-antibody response, exceeds the increase in the rate of the pathogen's reproduction/replication? Or by nonspecific immune response, you meant...cellular immunity? That's not the same as an increase in body temperature And how exactly is it that ectotherms raise their body temperatures? the.koi.maiden surely is going end up with the gory details in answer to her question...
  5. Could you give details on the febrile response you're writing about? And you're correct, the papers have to do with the influence of temperature on immune response
  6. Fever response in fish? Innate immune function? "I think you are confused between an induced fever response, as opposed to higher temps raising metabolism." Unfortunately this statement is the most confusing thing -- it contains exactly the distinction I posted above You're kind to list references, however, thank you They do all refer to the dependence of fishes' body temperature on their environment btw notwithstanding any general effects of temperature on BMR, apparently higher temperatures exert an effect on certain specific steps in the immune response, in particular humoral immunity: "The possibility of a general physiological effect of temperature on the immune response as a whole is unlikely" (Rijkers, op. cit.)
  7. Say what? I can be wrong, true; but am interested to see references about endogenous pyrogenesis in ectotherms (as opposed to behavioral thermoregulation)
  8. Derp... Previous post should read, "higher internal temperature"...for goldfish, this naturally means higher environmental temperature Wishing well for Mr. W, Steve C.
  9. Hi! Following thread, wishing for -- and expecting -- the best. It's good that Mr. W. is in really good hands! A: In general, higher environmental temperature (within reason) = better GF immune system function. True for mammals, too; probably why people often get a fever when they're sick. Fish lack this ability of course Don't take my word for it, though The immune system of cyprinid fish. Kinetics and temperature dependence of antibody-producing cells in carp (Cyprinus carpio). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1458243/pdf/immunology00246-0099.pdf Differential effects of temperature on specific and nonspecific immune defences in fish. (review article)http://jeb.biologists.org/content/201/2/165.full.pdf
  10. Five Commandments of Goldfish 1. Establish nitrogen cycle, then keep water clean. 2. Have enough water for each fish. 3. Feed correctly. 4. Always QT new fish. Always. 5. See Commandment 4. Of course, easy to customize and add details. A fun presentation for you and for the audience! Break a leg! (as they say) heh heh
  11. put him bag in the tub to spare the other fish This. imo if one fish is getting the worse of it sufficiently that we, as humans, can tell from that fish's body language s/he is beginning to suffer, separate immediately! "Above all else, cause no harm" -- some Greek guy, for when others' well-being rests in your hands
  12. >>With the added bonus it's free of marauding snakes, birds, etc. (No [r]Egrets! lol]) That has to help a GF have a peaceful life. Now that pics are up...it's astonishing how beautiful he is imo. The RG pics online must not even come near doing their fishes justice in person. We love our lfs teles &c. and they are God's little miracles but nowhere close to how good your new fish looks. Ya gets what ya pays fer, you know? Or at least, one seldom gets MORE. Great choice Cheryl! Whatever you decide to call him, "Slate" would be a fit bec. his colors are the same & shaded just the way slate sometimes is.
  13. It's a plot! Slate (aka Shadow??) is in the Federal goldfish protection program & doesn't want his pic to get out haha Congratulations on your new Oranda! It's super he's healthy, happy, & acting as if he's in his native environment. Enjoy!
  14. Another cool creative name! Do your kids do outside consulting? I really don't know what's going on, hopefully it's NOT bacterial. If parasites would be readily treatable I hope it turns out to be that, or something else you & fish can defeat easily. When the diagnosis remains unknown it's wisest to consider all possibilities, you know? One thing that they say is essential, and most likely to lead to success, is a fantastic "I'm going to win this!" outlook like yours. Hold that thought!
  15. Hi, so sorry to read about Google's and Butter's troubles (your fish have such appealing, cute names!). I'm worried that the little brown specks that you've described and photographed so clearly are very real and represent petechial hemorrhages; that is, pinprick-sized spots of bleeding or bruising just below the surface. It usually takes either damage/injury to the lining of small blood vessels or, more likely, disruption of blood clotting ability. A common cause, and the most likely source given other symptoms you've reported, is a widespread infection, like septicemia (bacteria throughout the bloodstream). A yellowish change in color is worrying either for internal bleeding with breakdown of the red blood cells and release of their pigments the sites of bleeding; or liver involvement with loss of the liver's normal ability to process used red blood cell pigments. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with a "usual suspect" among the Goldfish diseases we frequently discuss that causes this. Websearching suggests that the petechiae and other symptoms of poor sweet Google & pals correspond to infection by one of the so-called Gram-negative bacteria. This is important info because it helps with choosing an antibiotic. I can also report that we've had two poor Goldfish with some of these findings who grew sicker and sicker then died while being treated in the customarily recommended way for dropsy, including antibiotic treatment (Metro-Med) as if for GRAM-POSITIVE bacteria. This is not the treatment of first choice for Gram-negative bacteria. So: I'm not a moderator nor in a position to recommend treatment. My concern is for your fish, whom you love, and their health and recovery. This post is for sharing observations that may not come from other sources in hopes it may help everyone help your fish. I challenge Mods and everyone to keep the focus on Google, Butter, and their comrades' well-being rather than my credentials, qualifications, and/or intentions. After all, we're all here for each other and for the fish, you know? Best wishes, as this may well be a serious illness, Steve
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