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  1. Water has been tested and everything is as normal.

    Ph: 7.6

    Ammonia: 0

    Nitrites: 0

    Nitrates: 20

    Clementine went over and disturbed where Sunshine was and Sunshine has been swimming around ever since, fins are not clamped at all when she swims around but she is not super active.

    As water results are fine, I think there is definitely some bad bacteria living in my gravel which was disturbed when I poured the water in. I mean, does that sound right? I regularly siphon the tank but I don't think I've been doing a good enough job and after reading the article linked to me, I realise I've made some mistakes.

    I need to do a really good siphon of my tank, though I don't want to do this till Sunshine is all better. I have a question, I want to take both fish out of the tank and do a really good siphon, including lifting up some driftwood which I normally don't (but will be from now on a regular basis), how long should I leave it till I return the fish to the tank? Incase I disturb all this bad stuff once again, though I hope to get rid of it. Would it be best to leave the fish in the bucket say all day and return them after a few hours to the tank? Or maybe even longer, just to let everything settle? Though I don't want to leave the fish for too long in an 8 litre or say 2 gallon bucket.

    Fingers crossed for Sunshine over night though. That is my main worry at the moment :(

  2. Sunshine is currently acting strange. Everything had been going fine, did the normal 5 hour treatment and she was absolutely fine. As I have been filling the bucket up from tank water, the tank had only been 70-90% full the past few days. I returned Sunshine to the tank and then proceeded to fill the tank back up to it's normal level. I did all this exactly how I would normally do, 2 hours later, I come into my room and Sunshine is on the bottom of the tank, just laying there.

    I have no idea what it is, as everything has been going so well and the swelling is almost completely gone. It is barely even noticeable at all, yet now Sunshine has taken a turn for the worst.

    I just fed them and she ate and swam around for a bit. But now has returned to the corner of the bottom of the tank :(

    I don't want to lose her after all of this and such positives. I will test the water in a bit, I'm just not sure whether to do it yet as I normally wait 24 hours after a water change.

    All I can thing is when I poured the water in, I upset the bottom of the tank and it's affected Sunshine. Maybe the stuff that started this all?

    I'm not sure if you guys can help me, especially without the water results, I just thought I'd keep you updated. Might just do a water test now.

    Far out this is horrible :(

  3. Thanks for the info Ninzah. I'm definitely still thinking about it as it is going to be a big job.

    I did ring the vet and they said to continue treatment for another 5 days, not to go over 10 days though. It sucks but anything for my Sunshine.

  4. Today was Sunshine's last day of treatment, the swelling is almost completely gone, but still there. I hope I am in the clear now, but I am going to ring the vet tomorrow and ask if they think I should do any more days of treatment. What do you guys think?

    I still have a very happy fish who is always very happy to get back in his big tank. My other fish (Clementine) is always very happy to see her when they are reunited :)

    I will continue with the epsom salt in the peas for a bit longer too I think.

  5. Just an update and a good one at that.

    There is an obvious improvement in Sunshine today. The swelling on the left side is nearly gone and while the right side is still obvious, it has definitely gone down. I'm very happy but trying not to get my hopes up too high.

    Once again it is very hot here and I'm trying very hard to keep the tank at stable yet cooler temp.

    I'll do the 2 more days of treatment and call the vet on Monday if it not completely gone. I also fed another pea with a epsom salt in it.

    I was wondering, do you think I should dose the whole tank in epsom salt? Is this harmful to my other fish or the tank system? As I don't have a big enough hospital tank (my 'hospital tank' is a 8L bucket which I only keep Sunshine in for 5 hours of the day).

    I was also reading through the thread of the other person who is also currently experiencing dropsy and I see Stakos you recommended to get rid of all the gravel. I may think about doing this once Sunshine is all better. I've had a lot of trouble with gravel! Would this affect my cycle in anyway? As I know the bacteria lives in the gravel.

  6. Hopefully Sunshine shows some improvement in the morning and I won't have to call the vet. I may be seeing things, but I feel like one side is going down. There is a clear difference between both sides.

    would you be able to catch her into a tranparent bowl? using the bowl to catch her in and then slowly lift her to the surface and out? if you can do that, you can bring her to a bench/table and take a nice clear overhead photo so that we can see exactly how the swelling and pineconing is forming? that will give us some really good insight to her current conditions.

    there would need to be good light for the photo.

    Yes I can. I won't be able to do it till morning though. I've just put her back in the tank after her 5 hour bath and want to leave her alone for the night. I will definitely be able to do it just before her bath tomorrow though.

  7. Hopefully Sunshine shows some improvement in the morning and I won't have to call the vet. I may be seeing things, but I feel like one side is going down. There is a clear difference between both sides.

  8. if you can prepare by weighing your fish on digital scales like so:

    once we know the weight of your fish, we will be able to advise the correct dose and how to make the gelfood required that you will add the medicine to. it's super easy.. all you need are some fresh greens like zucchini, (frozen from supermarket) low soduim garden peas (coles home brand are the ones i use), fresh spinach etc...

    then all you need is the binding agent such as gelatine.

    all the veggies will be boiled or steamed, once cooled, then blended smooth. that's when you add the medicine and then the gelatine to bind :)

    but lets see how we can get the meds first ;)

    I wish my fish was that easy to pick up haha. They make it look so easy!

    Actually I am going to give the vet a call tomorrow if Sunshine has not improved, so hold up on you having to post them. Sorry about changing my mind.

    I don't own any digital scales like that so the vet may actually be able to weigh her.

  9. I may take you up on that offer, just in case I am unable to get it from the vets. I'll email you later tonight.

    Can someone please explain how I would give it to Sunshine then?

    Thanks everyone! Really appreciate all the help.

    You would mix it in with a gel food (commercial or homemade) and feed it to Sunshine.

    How much food to how much medication? I see stakos said off body weight, but how would I even work that out :/

  10. here is an article i wrote for you to read on Dropsy: http://www.kokosgold...dated-2012-r330

    if the Vet will not prescribe metronidazole for any reason or is being difficult, i can supply 6 tablets with Express Post for $15 into my account. let me know.

    if you need to be supplied by me, i will require you to email me: sparez@bigpond.net.au this email is purely for the exchange of Metro and money as well as postal details, all concerns regarding the condition of your fish will be discussed here :)

    I may take you up on that offer, just in case I am unable to get it from the vets. I'll email you later tonight.

    Can someone please explain how I would give it to Sunshine then?

    Thanks everyone! Really appreciate all the help.

  11. Hmm my fish doesn't have symmetrical bloating, one side is much more bloated.

    I'll see what happens with this antibiotic and may ask about metronidazole if it does not work. Fingers crossed it does though!

  12. Unfortunately, this is one of those times where the knowledge of actual goldfish keepers surpass that of the vet. Enrotril is also known as Baytril. It has been used to treat dropsy, with mixed results. Metronidazole is the much better agent of choice, and it would be better fed, which we would have been able to show you to prepare.

    I hope that you will get good results. :)

    I guess it is a matter of what is also available too? Not saying the other thing wasn't but you never know.

    I was also looking at this article just before, and it was saying it is not dropsy unless every scale is 'pine conned'. Sunshine's definitely isn't, but I don't know if this is true or not?

    I'm to call the vet if I see no improvement in 2 days, which will be in 24 hours. Sunshine is currently getting her second treatment and is still one happy fish, but still a bloated one :(

  13. Ok so an update.

    Took Sunshine to the vet and they believed it to be a bacterial infection from the heat seeing as water seems to be fine. They have given me a liquid antibiotic, I mix this in with some water and put it in a bucket with an airstone. I now have Sunshine in that for 5 hours and must do this every day for 5 hours for 5 days.

    The things you have to do when antibiotic food is not an option!

    The antibiotic is called enrotril. I am to call them back if no improvement in 2 days.

    Fingers crossed!

  14. Oh I did mean epsom salt, but I won't do that then. Ah so much to know and learn :(

    I called the vet and I've made an appointment to take her up there in 2 and a half hours. The bloating seems to be more on one side and she is still very happy. The vet is only 10 minutes away so fingers crossed, I am so glad I have them.

  15. See if you could give the actual links to the pics, instead of a broad Google search. :)

    They are uploaded on photobucket but don't appear when I go into the link.

    However, this may just be my slow laptop.

    Here it goes:


    Remember these are old photos, I think 2 years old, but what I deal with every summer. I no longer treat it as it does not seem to affect the fish and nothing worked anyway. I thought it might just be a heat rash as if humans can get this, why not fish?

  16. Andrea,

    May I ask why the link you provided is one of a Googles image search? There were some pics on that search the contained highly inappropriate images for a forum that has members of all ages.

    Sorry. I'll delete it. It was because the forum I had it on, seems to be down, but it was coming up on google image search.

    (I see you deleted it, I did not think correctly.)

  17. Sorry it was a bit dark. I had all my curtains closed I had just woken up, I opened them and hopefully this one is much better!

    Best viewed in full screen :)

    I just don't want to move her for now to avoid as much stress as possible!

    I also have a vet near me that say they do treat aquatic life including fish. They are a specialist vet, I take my birds there. I think I should give them a call? I have no idea how much they know about fish, but it won't hurt.

  18. I wasn't too sure how to upload a video so I uploaded it onto youtube.

    Here it is:

    You can see it when I go above the fish, it's the orange one we are looking at.

    If you look here too, you can see some old photos of Sunshine the fish, when was sick with red blotches [link removed by DNAlex]

    Will get onto testing my tap water, but have never had problems with fluctuating tank results.

  19. Hi there. I see someone else in the forum is also currently dealing with this but need to start my own topic as everyone is different.

    First off your questions:

      Test Results for the Following:
    • * Ammonia Level (tank): 0
    • * Nitrite Level (tank): 0
    • * Nitrate level (Tank): 20
    • * Ammonia Level (Tap): Unsure
    • * Nitrite Level (Tap): Unsure
    • * Nitrate level (Tap): Unsure
    • * Ph Level, (Tank) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): Ph is 7.6, always 7.6
    • * Ph Level, (Tap) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): Unsure
      Other Required Info:
    • * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API Liquid test
    • * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aqua One, meant for a 150L tank
    • * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime, Stability, Bactonex and API liquid fertiliser for my plants
    • * Water temperature? Hovering between 26-30 celsius past week. Which is 78-86F.
    • * How often do you change the water and how much? Every 2-3 weeks, about 50%

    • * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? It was on Friday so 5 days ago and I changed about 60%
    • * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? It is 90 litres or 20 gallons and it's been running for 2 years
    • * How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 goldfish, one comet (the sick one) is about 5 inches and the other a common is 3 inches
    • * What do you feed your fish and how often? Vegetables, pellets, dried seaweed, freeze dried worms, algae wafers and only once a day.
    • * Any new fish added to the tank? No
    • * Any medications added to the tank? No
    • * List previous issues experienced (dropsy, SBD, etc.)

    Currently experiencing what I believe to be dropsy. This fish always seems to get quite sick in summer and have dealt with red blotches and streaks over the past 3 summers. There is slight swelling just have the gills and a bit of pine coneing.

    • * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

    No, had some red blotches maybe at the start of the week but this seems to be normal for the fish and does not affect her adversely.

    • * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.?

    No unusual behaviour at all, still very active, eating and happy fish!

    • * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.

    In the past I tried to treat the red blotches with everything under the moon from aquarium salt to tetracycline based medications. I have not treated the fish tank with anything in a year, some aquarium salt may be in there though.

    • * You can really help us to identify with the concern more accurately if you post some pictures and a short video.

    I will definitely be posting photos or a video very soon!

    I have a major problem as I do not have a hospital tank nor are antibiotic foods available in Australia or able to be posted here as far as I know. I have tried to make my own in the past but wouldn't even know what to soak the food in this time.

    Please help, I'm devastated. My fish is acting so happy and if you didn't look closely you wouldn't even notice the swelling.

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