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DVirginiana

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  1. Yup, that's about how her swim bladder looked. I don't think I will end up going TOO long without getting another goldfish, but it may be awhile. I just get ridiculously attached to them; it was probably six months after my first one died before I decided to get Peanut. I have a really good track record with my other exotics, so my luck with goldies has made me a bit paranoid. Ha, I even have good luck with other fish. Had a six year old betta once. There's a really nice specialty store that I found a few weeks ago looking for a place to buy feeders for my snakes. All their fish/herp tanks are spot on and not even overcrowded. Apparently they do really small orders, to avoid that. They usually only have one or two adult fancies at a time in stock, but if I see one I like I may not be able to resist. Speaking of which; how do you typically treat a tank before putting in new fish if something like this happens?
  2. Missed seeing your edit! Thought it was your signature to begin with... My specialty is actually molecular plant biology (yeah, nothing to do with vertebrate anatomy...) but those courses were from my undergrad years. The molecular and microscopy aspects really come in handy for getting an idea of whether a problem is bacterial/physical/fungal and how to go about treating it, since vets for fish and reptiles are kind of hard to come by. Yeah, I've been on some forums in the past that are much less civil than this one where people start making crazy assumptions with no real reasoning to back them up or where people nitpick anything someone says unless they could back it up 100%. I didn't think that'd be an issue here, but I wanted to be sure. Honestly, with most pets like fish and herps, I agree that experience with the specific species is just as good and sometimes better than any sort of general animal training. ACTUALLY I just thought of something that may explain what happened. idk if you remember my posts about that odd bulge that would sometimes appear and disappear after she ate? Is it possible she had a section of intestine herniating and risking being damaged? I doubt I would have caught a small perforation or thinly-stretched portion of intestine. If a small perforation or something happened, that could explain how quickly she went downhill as well as how the fluid in the abdomen got infected... I realize this sort of speculation is really useless at this point, but knowing exactly what happened would help me with any future goldies I may have.
  3. Any chance you have a picture or resource for what a swim bladder should look like in a healthy fancy goldfish? I'm familiar with what the shape should be in a lean-bodied fish, but don't know what differences would be there in one of the fancies. Both lobes were present. It was inflated pretty tightly, but I also got back from my night class probably an hour or two after her death. The coloration seemed normal though; nothing about it looked blatantly wrong, but again I have nothing to compare that to. I imagine that whatever had been causing her to feel a little icky for awhile now finally went systemic. The white fluid in the abdomen makes me think that whatever minor infection was present got into the peritonal fluid. Even in large mammals, when that happens it's very quick and not much you can do. I also feel like she was probably not 100% healthy to begin with, and had been stunted since she remained so tiny for so long even in a pretty large tank. I just feel good that she was eating and swimming somewhat normally up until earlier that day, so she didn't suffer long. I can't think of anything, but is there anything other than bad luck that could've caused this? Ugh... I think I'm going to give goldfish a rest for awhile. My previous one dropsied when I left him with my parents for a week when I moved after getting married, and died a day or so after I got him back. Then Peanut dying so suddenly with no real explanation. I just get too attached to them to keep doing that. Next time I will definitely buy from a breeder or reputable store though; I do believe some of my problems have come from getting fish with preexisting issues that came from being treated poorly while in chain petstores. Thanks for all the advice though. Sorry if I sounded snippy in some of those previous posts, btw. I wasn't in the best mood at the time.
  4. After going through things thoroughly, she definitely was NOT suffering from constipation this whole time. Should have gone with my gut and tried treating with the metro meds when they came in... Don't know if it would've helped, but it would've been better than nothing. There was very little material in her digestive tract, and the 'stomach' (or the bulge in a goldfish that I assume is analogous to the stomach) was empty with no sign of blockage. Nothing else looked abnormal enough to cause sudden death. The liver and gills both had healthy color. There was an amount of milky fluid in the abdomen, but no organs were punctured prior to or during the procedure. This combined with how quickly she went downhill makes me think that there was probably some sort of infection that had been getting worse over the last week and finally went systemic. If someone has a better idea of what happened, I'm open to it. But I really loved this little fish and I had to know what caused her to die so suddenly. Just to add in, I am working on a Ph.D. in biology, and have taken dissection courses in vertebrate anatomy. Not trying to sound pompous, I just know if I heard that analysis from someone I'd want to know what sort of experience they had that would let them come to those conclusions.
  5. Well, none of it matters now. I guess I should have went ahead and tried medicating when I noticed things going downhill earlier this afternoon instead of waiting. I'm about to perform a necropsy, so I guess I'll know for sure if it was constipation or an infection like I'm starting to think it was.
  6. Here is the video of Peanut. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iS09PNT3cs
  7. Video soon. Her right side is swollen up now. Unless someone has actual advice for something I can DO, I feel like I need to consider euthanasia. It's clear she's suffering and I don't want to let that continue. I wish I had heard about the spinach and bloodworm diet option before I heard about the Soilent Green. It may just be coincidence, but her issues went from typical floatiness to being nearly dead within about a week of starting to feed that stuff. I will NOT be using it for any future fish.
  8. I also just turned off her filters, but left her airstone on sitting near her. She's very weak, and I figured an hour or two without the filter would be better than me coming home to find her stuck to it. I can hopefully rig them so that they're safe before tonight's over, but I'm about to have to leave for a night class. Test Results for the Following: * Ammonia Level (tank): 0 ppm * Nitrite Level (tank): Right at 0 ppm * Nitrate level (Tank): 0 ppm * Ammonia Level (Tap): idk * Nitrite Level (Tap): idk * Nitrate level (Tap): idk * Ph Level, (Tank) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): Around 6.8 but I added some GoldBuffer, so it should be getting back to its usual 7.0-7.2 pretty quickly. * Ph Level, (Tap) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines): like 6.6 Other Required Info: * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? Jungle strips * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Biowheel (150 gallons I think?) and another that I believe is a Tetra 25 gallon. I don't remember what the exact filters are, but they should be more than enough. * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime for treating the water, GoldBuffer for pH * Water temperature? About 75 degrees. She has one of those little tank heaters * How often do you change the water and how much? 50% water change weekly. * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 50%, changed Monday (5 days ago) * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 20 gallons, running over 7 months * How many fish in the tank and their size? Just one black moore, maybe 3 inches including tail * What do you feed your fish and how often? Soilent Green gel food, daily * Any new fish added to the tank? No * Any medications added to the tank? No * List previous issues experienced (dropsy, SBD, etc.) Floatiness after eating, but it seemed to get under control after starting her on Soilent Green * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Not really... One tiny (and I mean TINY) white spot on her back I noticed last night. But it is shiny and appears to just be a scale... * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? I'll get the video up as soon as I can, but she's basically just floating on her side on the bottom. It doesn't look good. * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. I put an epsom salt grain in a pea for a day or two, but none added to the tank * You can really help us to identify with the concern more accurately if you post some pictures and a short video.
  9. Yes, it's the same fish as in the other thread. It's like things went from her maybe feeling a little unhappy to being about to die. Also, I have Metro meds on hand if that would help. I'm afraid to feed or do anything for her at the moment because I'm worried about making things worse. My husband figured out how to do video, so I'll get a video up soon.
  10. My black moore peanut started out the day being pretty despondent which she has been for several days and bottom sitting. Today when I got home, she was floating aimlessly around the tank, and her breathing is labored. When she does swim she is swimming almost completely sideways. She looks like her breathing is labored as well. I have not had a lot of time to observe her lately, but I have not seen her poop in days. I have not seen her poop normally for several weeks (thus my previous posts...). Talked to my husband who has been home more, and he has not seen her poo for a few days either. I have been feeding peas with a grain of epsom salt, and she stopped floating, but started acting despondent and bottom sitting, but would still get up and investigate when I tried to get her attention. She is not pine-coned, or even bloaty looking, not clamping her fins, no fungus/bacteria anywhere, torn fins, bloody streaks, ect. or anything else that would be a typical outward sign of a sick fish... I have posted about her issues several times within the last week and am doing this in between classes, so I'm not going to repost the water params right now. They have been seen my mods and were not mentioned to be a problem. Nothing has changed about that. I posted something very similar as part of my 'despondent and bottom sitting' thread earlier today, but I felt like things had gotten bad enough that this topic could be bumped. I don't have much time at home between work and class at the moment, and I'm really desperate for answers or advice at the moment since things are looking bad enough that I'm afraid I'll walk in from my night work and find her dead.
  11. Okay, so BIG problem as of this morning. She is being completely despondent and VERY lethargic. Like, I got her out from under her tree by tapping on the glass to get her attention, and once she came out, she was just letting the current buffet her around, She floated over to the filter and just stayed stuck there for a few seconds until I used the net to move her. Once I put her back to her tree, she kind of puttered under it and is still staying there. She is not bloated, and her gill color is still normal, also her fins are not clamped, but I'm SERIOUSLY worried. Is this still just constipation? I have metro-meds if I need to start using those at any point, and her water params were all fine as of last night. I have no idea what is going on, but she seems to be getting worse to the point that I wonder if this could be some sort of infection or something other than just food related issues? Thanks for all the advice so far, hopefully this isn't as bad as it looks...
  12. Okay, I fed the Soilent Green tonight before I read this, but won't do that again. She ate it, but still isn't going crazy for it... Luckily we always have spinach around because of my turtle. I'll have to go pick up some blood worms though. If the spinach/blood worm diet works for her, is that something that I could keep up permanently? I should stress that I really don't know if she's been pooping normally or not, only that I'm pretty sure she HAS been pooping since she no longer has that bloated look. I'll post back if I see any and tell you how it looks. She's still doing a lot of bottom sitting, but today is the first day I've seen her up and swimming about as much as I've seen her bottom sitting.
  13. Well, I'm still a bit confused on what exactly is going on with Peanut... She still seems to be doing a LOT of bottom sitting. Though she will perk up and swim around when I go over to the tank now and does seem to be feeling a lot better. I can't tell if this is because she feels bad, or if her schedule is just off and she's sleeping during the day. My schedule is absolutely insane, so I haven't had a lot of time to monitor her and see if that's the case. Could it be that she doesn't feel excellent because of the epsom salt? Without watching her constantly, I can't tell if she's pooping normally or not. She's so small that her poo usually gets sucked into the filter pretty quick. I'm going to try going back to the soilent green starting tomorrow, and see what happens. But if her poo continues to look odd, is there something else I need to do, or should I just keep an eye out for anything to change?
  14. I saw a long string of poo today; still kind of clear and stringy, but a little bit more normal than it has been. I gave her part of a pea with another grain of epsom in it again, and other than being sleepy from staying up late again she seems to be feeling quite a bit better. She was definitely bloated last night; looks much smaller and more normal today. Should I continue to give her epsom for another day or two until her poo starts to look more normal?
  15. Well, I put a tiny piece of epsom salt into part of a pea and gave it to her an hour or two ago. Still no poo at all though. I'll try again tomorrow. How often can I give epsom salt? I am afraid to give her too much at one time as she is incredibly tiny. She does look a little bloated but at least she's swimming around acting normal now.
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