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  1. Hello everyone,

    Sorry for the massive delay in updating you. Just to let everyone know, after a bit of a modified treatment the infection cleared. The gravel remains but he's been doing great for one month without re-infection so fingers crossed it stays that way!!

    Thank you to all for advice

    Here's a picture of him from today :)



  2. 19 hours ago, J.Allen said:


    Glad to hear the fungal issue is clearing up. As far as the future goes if Blacky has been able to survive this log with the nostril issue only now needing additional treatment I think you have some time to figure this out and make the best decision that both you and Blacky will be most comfortable with, I know you mentioned you are leaving for study but block the pressure of the time clock from your mind while you make the next play.

    As I see it, I would say you have 3 main options in my opinion.

    Option 1: Do nothing. this is the least invasive procedure. Blacky has survived like this for some time now, and can probably survive like this some more, depending on whether or not more gravel has entered the nostril or its the same will determine if now Blacky is more suseptible fungus, if so Blacky might be totally fine and require occasional fungal treatments. This is minimally invasive but could possibly expose Blacky to medications for prolonged periods of time, I don't know what the effects of that might be, but I would think its better just to avoid prolonged exposure to medication if possible unless it was something like StressZYME with Aloe to help slime coat but even still, if you can get away with less that's better. Blacky might not ever get fungus again and the possibility of needing occasional medication sounds a lot less scary than surgery.

    With that being said, it was D.H. Lawrence who wrote 

    “I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.”

    ― D.H. Lawrence, The Complete Poems of D.H. Lawrence

    While Blacky is your friend and has been domesticated- and while you might worry, Blacky is a wild thing. You have already given Blacky a much higher quality of life than that of  wild carp and probably most of other people who keep fish ( as proven by the 11 years of age)  as well as showered Blacky with your affection and attention from what I see here. Sometimes wild things get into things and it goes awry- but they never stop to pity themselves, they just keep doing the best they can with what they've got. I believe that totally trying to suppress the wild nature of a thing can actually negatively impact its quality of life, but thats a whole other philosophical debate for another place in time.

    Option 2 : Risky but still minimally invasive. I think would be to try to " suck" the gravel out, if it went in that way- it can come out that way. I think that if you felt comfortable knocking Blacky out with the clove , you might be able to use a piece of air hose with an inside diameter of similar size to the nostril or maybe one of those " flavor injector" syringes without the needle. The key here would be to get a diameter that is almost the same size as the nostril, and keep Blacky wet and slimy to get a good seal around the hose and the nostril then using your mouth on the other end of the hose or the syringe suck the gravel out if you can. While you're not cutting into Blacky the risk is in knocking him out, and in that if the gravel has shifted into a different direction inside the nostril removing it with suction will cause a scrape wound, however, that could then be treated and heal and the voila! no more gravel and healed Blacky.

    Option 3: ( Highy experimental and theoretical I do not condone experimenting on animals- hopefully this doesn't cause a riot or get me banned) Option 3 Would be my last resort and would require you to do a lot of independent research on fish anatomy, and VOC content of chemicals, and become your own DIY fish surgeon. While I don't recommend this I do believe its worth a mention incase things reached a point that was very bad and there was not much else to be done anyway. There have been studies in the past about how they treat human burn victims with tilapia fish skin, the idea behind this is that the burned human flesh can heal and maintain moisture beneath the fish skin , which does not require the frequent and uncomfortable changing of bandages. This got me thinking that if fish skin is so close to human skin , can liquid bandage or liquid stitches for humans be used on fish? The connection would be that depending on the situation, it might be necessary to make a small cut in the end of the nostril so that it can stretch out a little and the gravel be pulled out with very sharp tweezers like used for watch making. This creates the problem of an open wound which would compromise Blacky's protective barrier. If you could stitch Blacky with that sterile glue that would greatly reduce the heal time and chance of infection - However sealing the inside of the incision and monitoring the inside of the nostril for fungus or infection would be extremely difficult. You would also need to consider Blackys age and Quality of life.

    I feel that the most important thing though is: whatever you feel in your gut about this trust it and you won't go wrong. If it feels uncomfortable don't do it. Try the most minimally invasive non surgical options you and anyone else here can think of and when you feel like you or Blacky has had enough, let it lay if necessary. Always acknowledge your instincts as an addition to your other 5 senses if you can. As we grow older if we don't use them we lose them. As long as Blacky is Eating , pooping, and foraging he is some kind of okay and at the end of the day that's all any of us can really ask for. 

    this concludes my opinion piece.

    Best Regards to you and Blacky,



    Hi Jordan,

    Thank you for taking the time to reply with such thought and detail!


    I agree, when he was only the length of a finger he actually had gravel stuck in his mouth that had to be coaxed out however I decided to not remove the substrate so he could exhibit natural foraging behaviour, which he loves! 


    I've decided I'm going to continue and make sure he recovers from the infection first and then see how he goes without trying to get the gravel out, seeing as he's been perfectly happy and healthy for 2 years with a piece in there! Hopefully it won't become a nidus for infection/re-infection and the problem will be sorted and will just continue to keep an eye on it!


    And yes option 2 will be my second option. I don't personally feel too comfortable using clove oil, however would consult with a vet about the possibility of having a vet help me use alfaxalone and I already have some extremely small plastic tipped tweezers which I think would do the job, and also your latest post about the baby aspirator is a really good idea!


    For your option 3 I do see where you're coming from however I definitely don't think it will come to that in this case! Welfare wise as well it would require analgesia and probably prophylactic antibiotics so would be a fish vet situation, but obviously stuff like this is done in the right conditions for sure!


    Yes he's doing great in himself, back to his normal cheeky self now the infection is clearing up so I'm hoping this won't turn in to a situation of constantly battling against reinfection and he'll carry on just with a piece of gravel there!


    Thank you, I'll update this thread to let everyone know how he gets on with this plan!



  3. Hello everyone,

    Just as a plan for the future, the fungus is currently clearing up nicely, hopefully it continues this way and doesn't recur!


    Regarding removing this piece of gravel. I really don't know if it's going to be feasible without causing a lot of injury and more problems than it's worth, especially due to the delicate olfactory lamellae? It is really lodged in there and I think may be bigger than I originally believed (rather than two smaller pieces) as it can be seen clearly from the anterior nostril opening (see attached photo) and also the posterior opening (not pictured).


    His other nostril that I was concerned also had a piece in seems clear though, so that's some good news.


    Just wondering what everyone's thoughts would be regarding leaving it/attempting removal after the infection has cleared (fingers crossed). And if anyone has any idea on how they would approach this?


    What complicates matters more is I am supposed to be moving away in a few days for university, anything with Blacky always seems to happen just before I move away :(





  4. 1 hour ago, J.Allen said:

    Hi I-Goldfish, 

    In addition to the above info, I didn't see the nostril before but In the pictures on this post it looks slightly different/ damaged in comparison to the other nostril. Hard for me to tell by the photo - is that the case? if so is the change recent? It also looks fungal to me, and I ask this to try to better understand how fungus might have taken hold.

    In addition to that, your concern about the possible gravel lodged in the nostril, it may be possible for you to see this with a flashlight.

    I have read of people taking the fish into a dark space in a clear shallow container ( keeping fish submerged of course ) and shining a bright flashlight through their little bodies to " X-RAY" them. I have not done this myself but it seems safe enough and minimally invasive.

    My only concern is that the fish have no eyelids so one must be careful not to shine bright lights directly into the eyes.

    Hopefully someone with more years of fish keeping experience will confirm or debunk this method.

    You could also do a combination of your proposed solutions to this gravel problem, KO - then suck out the gravel with air hose instead of surgery

    Wish you all the best and Blacky a speedy recovery.


    I think that is just the way it's appearing on the angles of the photos, both nostrils look the same and normal in person! 


    Yes there definitely are small pieces of gravel lodged in there (one bit has been there for 2 years!) so my theory is these have caused local irritation which has given the fungus  the opportunity to cause infection.


    The fungus is already starting to clear, but the issue of getting the gravel out seems challenging. I'm not sure if sucking would be strong enough... We'll see how it goes and get rid of the fungal infection first.


    Thank you so much :) 

  5. Hello,

    I'm back (if anyone remembers Blacky; I've now had him 11 years!!), in a bit of a sticky situation. 


    • 2018 Blacky got a small piece of gravel lodged in his nostril which never came out
    • It never caused an issue so just left it there
    • In the last week/2 I feel like he has either gotten another small piece of gravel lodged in the same nostril OR the same piece has moved a bit, it is hard to tell, which I believe has led to the current situation


    Last week Blacky was a bit off colour and had a slight white tinge to the gravel nostril so I treated him from the 11th-13th Sep 2020 with the standard dose esha2000 as a broad treatment, whilst being mindful of goldfish's copper sensitivity. After a nearly 100% water change on the 14th he was acting a lot better in himself.


    Today on the 17th, he again looks a bit off, his dorsal fin is floppier etc. and he also has a lot of mucopurulent looking discharge now coming out of gravel nostril (thinking back I have actually been seeing this in the tank for around a month during water changes but just disregarded it a bit as he has been fine and potentially just stringy poops from times of low food passage).


    I'm not really sure if it is infected or just irritated, but due to the white discharge would lean towards infected. I presume this is due to local irritation from the lodged bits of gravel (which you now can't see due to the discharge).


    I don't really know what to do here, and just looking for advice or anyone that has been in a similar situation?

    My current thoughts are:

    1. Try to suction the discharge and gravel pieces out with a piece of airline tubing. However restraining him will be a challenge and very stressful for him as he is a very big fish now.

    2. Anaesthetise with clove oil and use a bobby pin sort of instrument (sterilised beforehand) to remove the gravel pieces (if possible not doing this as I would be a nervous wreck and would hate to accidentally do anything completely wrong)

    And then treat with esha2000 again as a preventative for infection/help heal current infection

    3. Or just do another round of esha2000 and hope that resolves it without needing to remove the gravel pieces. 


    I would really appreciate any advice :( I love this boy to bits, he's my best friend.


    Thank you in advance

    I will test my water now and update the post accordingly but I don't think this is a water quality issue. Photos/videos attached.



    Test Results for the Following:

     Ammonia Level(Tank)

     Nitrite Level(Tank)

     Nitrate level(Tank)

     Ammonia Level(Tap)

     Nitrite Level(Tap)

     Nitrate level(Tap)

     Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

     Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)

    Other Required Info:

     Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API drops (NB out of date)

     Water temperature? Room temperature 

     Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 24 US gallons, roughly 7-8 years

     What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Fluval U2, 400L/hr

     How often do you change the water and how much? Weekly-biweekly - 80-90%

     How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? - 14th Sep (3 days ago) 80-90%

     How many fish in the tank and their size? 1, length of hand (no tail)

     What kind of water additives or conditioners? Fluval aqua plus water conditioner only

     What do you feed your fish and how often? Repashy soilent green, everyday 

     Any new fish added to the tank? No

     Any medications added to the tank? esha2000 11th-13th Sep 

     List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank.Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Within last 2 years nothing else

     Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? White mucupurluent discharge from affected nostril. A few odd whiter patches on body but he does go through phases of a few marks etc.

     Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Not himself, dorsal fin a bit floppier. Still eating and swimming









  6. 6 hours ago, Arctic Mama said:

    Aaah, that makes more sense.  I don’t honestly think it’s flukes either, but many fish do pout during Prazi.  It’s not ich, for sure. Honestly it’s just as likely to be an infection from water quality issues with that elevated nitrate or plain old age issues as anything.

    Since you already make repashy, I’d like you to make a batch of it with 1 tablespoon repashy mix and the appropriate water amount, and add to it 1/2 teaspoon epsom salt.  When fed, this works well as an antiparasitic for internal parasites and has essentially no side effects except loose stool.  It should also help with any potential water retention/dropsy.  Feed that for two weeks and change your water change schedule to twice weekly, 90% changes each time.  Let’s see if the scales and behavioral issues don’t clear up with more water changes and the epsom solution in the food.

    This isn’t at the point where antibiotics make sense at all, or any big gun antiparasitic treatments.

    With the spots, I’m not seeing anything alarming besides breeding tubercules on his gill plates.  Everything else looks like normal variation?

    Okay thank you, I'll order some epsom salt and up the water changes :) 

    The scales are flattening back to normal, I'm going to assume some sort of injury was the cause after him freaking out so much.

    Here are the white spots, they're smaller than the operculum breeding tubercles and across his body scales. Maybe it's just breeding stars across the body which are easy to see as he is a deep black? I've never really heard of them across the body but if they've been there for years that makes more sense I guess :huh:

    Thank you for your help. Definitely had a panic when I saw uplifted scales!



  7. 50 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

    I’m not honestly too worried about the space - just keep up with the water changes, maybe twice weekly instead of once.  Could he have been exposed to anything from live food or plants?  Or is his aquarium only empty or filled with plastic?

     How many rounds of the esha did you do?

    I don't feed him live food and he hasn't had live plants in a while but has had them previously.

    I didn't even do 1 round of  esha prazi because he reacted badly to it. I was torn between giving him the full treatment and ending it. I chose to end it as apart from occasional flashing there is no signs of flukes it was more preventative. 

    Also these ich-like white spots over his whole body have been there for over 4 year, I was looking at older threads I have made on here and it was about these... and I have treated with esha 2000 & exit a few times over the years and nothing gets rid of them. If it was ich would he be able to survive for that long with no ill-effects just occasional flashing??

    One more thing, the protruding scales look slightly better this morning which is good. I'll add a picture when I'm home, this leads me more into thinking he injured this area. However these white spots, I'd still love to get to the bottom of :madrant!

    Thank you!!

  8. Ammonia Level(Tank) 0ppm

    * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0ppm

    * Nitrate level(Tank)  80-160ppm

    * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0ppm

    * Nitrite Level(Tap) 0ppm

    * Nitrate level(Tap) 10-15ppm

    * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.4ish

    * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)  7.6-8ish

    The test kit is 2 years expired :o ... so unsure how accurate these are but it's what I expected. All values have been like this for years except nitrate which fluctuates.


    Obviously he's been living in a tank too small for a few years. He seems happy enough and has always been so healthy despite it not being a great size for him. Despite this I do want to find a bigger space it's just taking a lot longer than anticipated. Due to this I try to manage the nitrate levels with water changes but with a fish that big in a tank that small it's almost impossible :( so he has been subject to high nitrate levels for a while. I hope this isn't the reason but to help anyone with diagnose(s) it's only fair to say. 


    He's a great fish with a massive personality. I've had him since I was 10 (now 20)! He's grown from the size of my little finger to this beast. I hope there's some hope of recovery from whatever this is so he can finally get to swim in a bigger space.

  9. 38 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

    I’m just running out the door but I’ll come back to this tonight, I promise :)  thank you for giving us so much information and good images to work with, that will surely help!

    Thank you so much! I'm in the UK so a delayed reply may come back from me, but I'll look straight away in the morning :) 

  10. Test Results for the Following:

    * Ammonia Level(Tank)

    * Nitrite Level(Tank) 

    * Nitrate level(Tank)  If you have a test kit, take these readings before you do a water change. If you don't have a test kit and can't get one immediately, please take samples of tank and tap water to your fish /pet store and request a test. Demand numbers for each test.

    * Ammonia Level(Tap) 

    * Nitrite Level(Tap) 

    * Nitrate level(Tap) Please test tap water. It may contain ammonia or nitrate.  Tap water often varies in quality with weather/season, so don't just report an old test.  

    * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) Difference in the pH of tank and tap can cause distress in your fish. We need both tap and tank results. 

    * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)   If you don't have KH and GH tests and have municipal water, you can often get this information from the water company.

    Other Required Info:

    * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops?  API test kit - drops

    * Water temperature? Air temp - 16 degrees celcius 

    * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running?  90L - >5yrs

    * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? By the "size" of the filter we mean the gph/lph that it claims to turn over? 400 lph

    * How often do you change the water and how much? Please answer both questions. Every 5-7 days, 80-90%

    * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Please answer both questions Monday 22nd - 70%

    * How many fish in the tank and their size? You may give the weight of each fish or the length.  1 goldfish - length of my hand plus caudal fins

    * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Water conditioner means the agent used against chlorine.  Fluval aqua plus water conditioner 

    * What do you feed your fish and how often? Give the brand, type of food (sinking/floating pellets, gel food, steamed vegetable, etc.), and how frequently you feed each. Repashy soilent green - once a day +occasional algae wafers/sinking pellets/peas/brocolli

    * Any new fish added to the tank? No

    * Any medications added to the tank? None at the moment. About a month ago added eSHa gdex (active ingredient praziquantelum) due to flashing and never actually treated him for flukes before. He reacted really badly to it which I thought was unusual due to being known as a safe medication. Read it could be due to dead fluke overload however as it was mainly a preventative measure I removed it by water changes then carbon. He has been fine ever since.

    * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment.  This can be a long answer if you have a sickly fish.  In the past he's had eSHa 2000 & exit

    * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus?

    He's had small white specks on his whole body for a long while now. I thought this was ich however they are much smaller than all the photos of ich I have seen. They look like breeding tubercles, but all over his body...

    He occasionally flashes which makes me think he has some kind of parasite issue, however I'm not 100% and due to no other issues like going off food etc and him being sensitive to medications I haven't treated.

    As I was cleaning the tank yesterday he went crazy, which is unusual. Then I noticed protruding scales (slight white discolouration) on both sides near his anus that I hadn't noticed before, however I hadn't particularly looked closely in about a week as I have been busy.

    The first thing I thought of initially was dropsy - which is obviously just a symptom with many possible causes, however wouldn't this be less focal and more diffuse. It almost looks like an internal growth causing scale protrusion. Or could it be some sort of injury, hence the crazy episode whilst cleaning. I honestly have no idea what it is.

    Slightly white stringy poo too.

    * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? No except when still his back end rises higher than his front end which he normally doesn't do but he seems in control of the movement. Apart from that he's acting completely normal.


    Hi guys,

    I'm just about to test the water (however I think my API test kit is out of date) but it's the best I can do for now. Before I have the results, I have never had ammonia or nitrite in the tank. It's been well cycled for years and years. I've had Blacky 10 years! Nitrates will be higher than ideal due to tank size but water changes keep them under control enough.

    Also I already know the tank is way too small for him. Working on getting an indoor pond this summer.

    I think everything else is mentioned above. I'll attach some pictures. Thanks in advance for any help.


    2 image showing small white dots on body - hard to see

    Here is a video showing the protrusion.






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  11. On 29/09/2018 at 6:32 AM, aussieJJDude said:

    Idk if its just me, but I cant see anything? Maybe it popped out?

    Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

    Sorry I didn't make it clear. In the first photo there isn't anything to actually see I was just showing where I saw it, in the second photo it's the tiny paler bit but its a very bad quality photo ahaha

    4 hours ago, Arctic Mama said:

    Huh.  I don’t see it either.  I’d assume unless he is acting upset that he will probably work it out on his own though.  Gravel stuck in the mouth is a problem because it can instruct eating, but that’s not really an issue with their nose :)

    No worries, it is really hard to see in that photo (2nd one only), the first was just illustrating where it was before passing through to the back. 




    My mum who is currently looking after him has told me she can't see it anymore so I think it has just passed through. Thanks though guys!

  12. 11 minutes ago, I-Goldfish said:

    Sorry I wasn't able to get photos as it is such a small thing to try and photograph and he won't stay still at all.

    Update though. The gravel got sucked even deeper and now I see it down the hole behind the nasal flap so I presume this means it's managed to travel through the sense organ somehow with the push of the water and hopefully will come out the other side. 

    I feel there isn't much I can do now except hope it comes out...

    That explanation is not great. Here's a couple (bad) photos.

    Where it was when I first saw it


    Where it is now


    I presume it will just make its way out now


  13. 1 hour ago, FishyMandy said:

    Hi! Do you have any photos?


    Id be worried about sucking it out, I think i would try a small pair of tweezers or seeing if you could gently rub the nostril to push it out?

    Sorry I wasn't able to get photos as it is such a small thing to try and photograph and he won't stay still at all.

    Update though. The gravel got sucked even deeper and now I see it down the hole behind the nasal flap so I presume this means it's managed to travel through the sense organ somehow with the push of the water and hopefully will come out the other side. 

    I feel there isn't much I can do now except hope it comes out...

  14. Hi guys, 

    Long time no see! I still have Blacky, he's 9 years old now! I just noticed he has a piece of gravel lodged into his nostril, it looks very stuck and quite deep. How he managed to do that I have no idea :stars... Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get it out? I'm going to leave it overnight and hope it falls out but it doesn't look like it's going to. 

    I was thinking maybe creating a suction with a piece of tubing? This is not ideal as I'm moving back to university on Friday so only have tomorrow to try and get it out

    Thank you



    this pond is about 150x50x5' and is part of a property my business maintains. I just put 50 13 cent comets in it, with permission of course.091212165348.jpg091212164822.jpg091212164740.jpg091212165528.jpg


    Do you still work here? Are the goodies still there?

    Sadly, the pond is gone. It turns out my customer owned about 1/3 of the pond and the golf course next door owned about 2/3. The golf course sold to a developer who is putting in condos, and due to the grading of the road, building, etc, the pond was drained and ceases to exist.


    Oh no that is sad, could have been amazing now :(

  16. Hey guys,

    Some of you may remember I had a few guppies in a 5 gallon.

    That has been empty for some time and after a spring clean of the games room I want to re stock it and I'm pretty set on a male betta.

    So far it has a silk plant as I read they like sleeping on strong leaves

    An ornament for hiding

    A heater set on 26 degrees Celsius

    And I've stuffed the filter full of media as it is quite a strong current for a small tank and I know betta's don't like that.

    I will also be adding live plants and I am currently cycling it.



  17. If you ditch the gourami idea it wouldnt hurt to bump up your school sizes by 2 or so fish each. ;) or make the danio group larger and leave the tetras at 6. Danios are nice active fish.

    Go slow. Dont add all 3 kinds of fish at once. Moniter levels and do water changes as necessary.


    Yeah i have ditched the gourami haha. Awesome sounds good :)

    Yep i will go slow and am planning on trying to aquascape this one so will let that grow in a little first, so excited!

  18. Personally i hate mixing live bearers with other tropicals.

    I hate livebearers to begin with. I was always guaranteed to scoop out more dead ones from the tanks then any other fish when i worked at pet stores.

    But hey thats just my personal preference ;)

    8 is a bit high. They can get used to it. Whats the ph at the pet store?

    Personally i would use a neutral regulator. Keep everything at 7 in the tank and in my buckets before it goes in the tank.

    Dwarf gouramis are hit and miss IMO

    Ive had some be total turds while some were plesant. I did find that regardless they never lived that long for me....

    I did however find that they arent the most active fish in the world when i had the tanks like that.

    My brother has a regular gourami in his tank... last one standing... it killed all the other fish. Now it just slowly swims around looking for stuff to kill. Every time i got visit their house that fish gives me the death glare. So i brought over more live plants for him to see if he could maybe add some danios to the tank if the plants grow.....


    I have no idea at the petstore but would obviously check before when i finally introduce them to the tank. If this was a problem it would be fine, i would buy some API pH down i guess.


    Oh dear i don't want an evil fish  :rofl

    I'm always cautious when giving others advise on stocking. That said I think you could do the 3 corys, 5 danios, and 5 cardinal tetras.

    I'd leave off the gourami though.


    That is what I'm leaning towards, 3 corys, 5 danios and 5 tetras and see how it goes. Yes i think it would be better without the gourami! 

    Also i have a spare 5 gallon if i fancied a beta so that could always happen too :)






    I'll keep you both updated on the process, i hope this will be successful!

  19. Just corys and danios?

    For corys they do best is school's of at least 5 although they can live in smaller groups. Danios are simular and do best in larger groups. So I'd say for 5 of each around 20gal ewould be perfect. You could cut the corys down to 3 and pull a 15.

    That's my two cents.


    Thank you for your help :)

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