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  1. To increase profit margins and to keep cost down for consumers. Your average joe probably doesnt care as much as we do, and the company probably wants to be appealing to them too. Edit: on my nook. So punctuation is a bit of a pain, my apologies.
  2. Isnt msg cheaper than table salt? I could be wrong, but it could be a cost thing more than a fish thing.
  3. Do you have problems of sand with your filters from the fish picking through it and spitting it out?
  4. Im curious if anyone has had any problem with sand ruining their filters?
  5. So then what foods/lighting/water parameters can be used to enhance some colors but discourage others? Probably a dice roll in the emde, but I am curious.
  6. Does your logic also extend to babies who eat food who with a lot of beta-carotene and then turning orange? I guess they are just nutrionally deprived orange babies. Interesting! Hey, be nice.
  7. Make sure you have a big enough sample size. There's your excuse to have lots of fish Now, if I could just get a grant so I could have the budget....
  8. I think I'll feed my fish high fructose corn syrup and see what happens.... I hope you saw the humor in that lol
  9. Never said they were. But they could be associated with other things other than MSG. I was merely pointing out that people shouldn't jump on the anti-msg-wagon right away. And from the scholar articles I just read, I will stay off of it for now. Edit: it's 5am and I'm debating salt. I need to go to bed lol.
  10. I was afraid the links wouldn't work, I can email them if anyone is interested.
  11. In science you form and test a hypothesis. In that test you are trying to disprove your hypothesis. Just because one experiment does not make you throw out your hypothesis, does not make it true. Another test with better technology, new data etc. could throw out the hypothesis. A theory is just a hypothesis that has withstood vigorous testing. So the better way to look at it is from this data we believe so far that such and such is true, but it is possible that it won't be true tomorrow. That's what I mean when I say science doesn't prove anything. If anything, more testing needs to be done in my opinion. Here's your scholar article http://web.ebscohost.com.hal.weber.edu:2200/ehost/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?sid=93f9b7ff-15fe-401d-9aa0-feab3d14f5e4%40sessionmgr12&vid=10&hid=14 hopefully the link will work for you. If not, try looking up: Monosodium glutamate ‘allergy’: menace or myth? A. N. Williams and K. M. Woessner Division of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology, Scripps Clinic, San Diego, CA, USA Another one: http://web.ebscohost.com.hal.weber.edu:2200/ehost/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?sid=93f9b7ff-15fe-401d-9aa0-feab3d14f5e4%40sessionmgr12&vid=13&hid=14 And another: http://web.ebscohost.com.hal.weber.edu:2200/ehost/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?sid=93f9b7ff-15fe-401d-9aa0-feab3d14f5e4%40sessionmgr12&vid=13&hid=14 "MSG has a widespread reputation for eliciting a variety of symptoms, ranging from headache to dry mouth to flushing. Since the first report of the so-called Chinese restaurant syndrome 40 years ago, clinical trials have failed to identify a consistent relationship between the consumption of MSG and the constellation of symptoms that comprise the syndrome. Furthermore, MSG has been described as a trigger for asthma and migraine headache exacerbations, but there are no consistent data to support this relationship. Although there have been reports of an MSG-sensitive subset of the population, this has not been demonstrated in placebo-controlled trials." Going to bed. I'm curious to learn the other side of the coin tomorrow. Cheerio.
  12. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22364086: " For our study eight female newborns of Swiss Albino mice were injected subcutaneously with MSG (2mg / gm of body wt. in a dilution 40 mg of per ml. of distilled water)" I don't necessarily agree with the FDA all the time, but I trust the world health organization. which was sited in the last link above. The points I was making was that (we are probably talking about the same thing just worded differently), are these: 1) with almost any given substance you will find a percentage of the population sensitive to it, that doesn't necessarily make it bad. Like my peanut example. 2) Sample size is important to draw any real conclusions. 3) MSG is a salt 4) I'm not trying to defend MSG in anyway, I'm always a skeptic, which makes me a good scientist in my opinion. I also noticed that from looking at a list of "anecdotal adverse effects" from http://www.rd411.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1175:monosodium-glutamate-msg-fact-sheet&catid=100:miscellaneous-topics&Itemid=394 that the majority of these are subjective (see below). I wonder how many of these complaints were actually related to the MSG and not to something else or what the reaction would be to a placebo. Headache Flushing Sweating Facial pressure or tightness Numbness, tingling or burning in face, neck and other areas Rapid, fluttering heartbeats (heart palpitations) Chest pain Nausea Weakness
  13. I edited my post before I read yours lol. There are people are deathly allergic to peanuts, that doesn't make peanuts bad for everyone. 1.2 million people die every year from car accidents - that doesn't mean I'm going to stop driving In one study: http://www.ajcn.org/.../90/3/850S.full says "gastroduodenal motor activity and reduce feeding intolerance in premature infants." I would also point out though, that science in the purest of science does not prove anything. It exists to disprove things. So I guess you need to consider the sources, the sample size, and draw your own conclusions. This one has some sources: http://www.rd411.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1175:monosodium-glutamate-msg-fact-sheet&catid=100:miscellaneous-topics&Itemid=394
  14. LOL. No one is going to maul you for it, but here is the last paragraph from the Mayo website: However, researchers have found no definitive evidence of a link between MSG and these symptoms. Researchers acknowledge, though, that a small percentage of people may have short-term reactions to MSG. Symptoms are usually mild and don't require treatment. The only way to prevent a reaction is to avoid foods containing MSG. I took the liberty to bold the part I wanted to discuss. I happen to be one of those people who have short-term reactions to MSG. For me, it's like someone had slipped me a sleeping pill, and this happens about 30 minutes after I've ingested something containing MSG. In any case, I got really interested when scientific writings get ambiguous; there is acknowledgment up above that says that a small percentage of people MAY be affected, but it didn't specify. Is is 0.005%? 5%? 10%? What's considered a small percentage? So, I decided to just do a little bit of digging to see what I could find on Pubmed, the database of research articles used by all in the biological research. Just from a cursory look at abstracts, here are just a few I picked out at random. - Long term MSG effects on ovaries and spermatogenesis in mice http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22364086 http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21446362 - MSG as an inducer of oxidative stress (important for initiation of diseases such as atherosclerosis) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22346139 - MSG as a possible aggravating factor for psoriasis http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22281896 - MSG can induce diabetes in mice, and can lead to colon cancer development http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22223845 - Neurotoxic effects of MSG in mice http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22143495 - Hepatotoxic effects of MSG in mice http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21991693 That's just a cursory (5 minute look) into things. My point is simply this: there is quite a bit of research looking into the MSG, and the results at least show that the substance doesn't appear to be as harmless as some would like to believe. I don't know how dangerous it is in humans, but at least for me, it's a huge problem. Hence the some people will be sensitive to it. I read somewhere less than 1% of the population. I didn't read all of the sites that you posted, I did notice in the first one that the sample size was 8? Hardly a good sample size. And science does not always work across species. Msg is a salt. I would also point out that too much of anything is bad for you. This comes from my old boss (I tutored his class) he said, if I were to teach a public health class my topics would be: why you shouldn't eat meat, why you shouldn't eat vegetables, why you shouldn't drink water and why breathing potentially isn't a good idea either. lol. As far as foods go, most research out there suggests we should be a lot more vegetarian than we (Americans, I can't speak for other cultures) are.
  15. Sounds like a potential corner in the market over there
  16. I'm going to get mauled for this, lol but....According to yale.org http://www.yalescien...sg-bad-for-you/, and mayo clinic http://www.mayoclini...utamate/AN01251, msg is harmless. My micro professor/old boss agrees with this too. (In humans of course). There will always be a small percentage of any population that will be sensitive to almost any given substance.
  17. Has anyone ever bought a fish off of auction on GF connection? Post picture please As for me i would like a gf that has tons of personality and would brush against my hand, like a cat does to your leg, when I stick my hand in the water.
  18. My understanding is that most plants will lower nitrates in the aquarium. I would try anubias or java species and go from there. We just recently bought a piece of mopani wood and plan to attach java moss to all of it and attach some plants to it as well. Hopefully it won't be a giant salad Edit: I meant so say anacharis.
  19. And I'm going to steal it from Ashlee18 after she gets it hehe
  20. Thanks SOTM! I will order some medi gold next week when the fish arrive. Sigh, I spend more money on goldfish stuff then I do my own girlfriend. hehe
  21. Every time I see your white ranchu, I get uber jealous. I ordered some Pro Gold as well as some of GFconnections color enhancing food too. I hope my fish don't lose their colors.
  22. I ordered some of the color enhancing food from goldfish connection. I hope it don't change my fishes colors Enhance will be nice...I'm sort of worried now.
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